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posted by martyb on Friday October 17 2014, @09:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the how-do-you-rate? dept.

From Wired Innovation Insights:

In 1958, Michael Young coined the term "meritocracy" in his book, The Rise of the Meritocracy. Young used the term satirically to depict a United Kingdom ruled by a system that favored intelligence and merit above all else, including past personal achievements.

However:

Who decides who is listened to? Who decides which ideas are the best? At my company, Red Hat, the people who are listened to are the ones who have earned the right. They have built a reputation and history of contributing good ideas, going beyond their day jobs, and achieving stellar results.

In many technology companies that employ a meritocracy — Red Hat being one example — people forge their own path to leadership, not simply by working hard and smart, but also by expressing unique ideas that have the ability to positively impact their team and their company. Entire paths have been paved at Red Hat because a single person spoke up when it mattered, had gained enough trust and respect from teammates so people truly listened, and, as a result, was able to influence direction of an initiative (or start a new one).

For example, I think back to a Red Hat associate who, as we were developing our virtualization business at Red Hat, spoke up in a meeting when he thought myself, his boss's boss, his boss and others, were making a wrong decision. While we didn't follow his guidance that day, eventually we did because we valued his opinion, and frankly, because he was right.

Of course, this doesn't happen overnight. It takes time and a consistent track record to begin to earn respect and influence in a meritocracy. As you can imagine, given the right vehicles for communication and encouragement, the natural thought leaders emerge.

The article also includes some fairly standard advice about decision making.

 
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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by PizzaRollPlinkett on Friday October 17 2014, @11:27AM

    by PizzaRollPlinkett (4512) on Friday October 17 2014, @11:27AM (#106948)

    If meritocracy is so great, why don't people use it in the real world? Sociopathic managers take over companies, drive off the meritocracy, and run them into the ground. The people who shout the loudest and promote themselves get the attention. Bosses use favoritism and cronyism to create cliques. I don't ever see a meritocracy actually being used in the real world. If it's so great, why doesn't it work?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @11:49AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @11:49AM (#106950)

    If meritocracy is so great, why don't people use it in the real world?

    Though not exactly what you were referring to, I would suggest that something like that is at work on this very site.

    Some users, through their comments here, have earned my respect with their insight and knowledge. Others I've come to recognize as generally more prone to bias and willingness to incite reactions.

    Notwithstanding that, I still try to keep an open mind to whatever is posted here, no matter who posts it. And, I still browse at -1 so as to not miss anything.

    In my opinion, civility goes a long way to bolster a point; the use of profanity and/or ad hominem attacks diminishes my estimation of a poster's comment. The comment should stand on its own merits.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @11:52AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @11:52AM (#106952)

      And failing to close an tag doesn't help, either. =)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @11:55AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @11:55AM (#106954)

      I resemble that remark.

      -- gewg_

  • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday October 17 2014, @11:54AM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday October 17 2014, @11:54AM (#106953) Homepage Journal

    I think the point your missing is what you just described is not meritocracy but cronyism. Meritocracy does work if you demand it and nothing else. You can easily tell which companies are using it by their growth and success.

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  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday October 17 2014, @12:30PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Friday October 17 2014, @12:30PM (#106972)

    The real reason for your question is that there is yet to be formed a true meritocracy.

    Remember what was said in TFS: Doing your job really well isn't considered meritorious. Coming up with some sort of brand new idea and leading the team that implements it is. That means that once a potential idea is out there, immediately a bunch of politics starts to figure out who gets credit for the idea (and yes, even if the idea comes out in a meeting with a whole bunch of people there, there will be a question as to who had the idea 3 weeks from now, and the political players can and do take advantage of that) and who gets to lead the team in question. And that could go to a truly meritorious person, or it could go to the best politician, and usually the bosses have no idea which they've picked.

    There is no way to get around that problem with objective metrics, because anytime you introduce an objective metric that will determine money and power in an organization, people will figure out how to game said objective metric.

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    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 17 2014, @01:20PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 17 2014, @01:20PM (#106989) Journal

      there is yet to be formed a true meritocracy.

      A noble utopia pretty much as "true communism"... merit takes time to accumulate and be recognized, in the meanwhile the "meritocrat" becomes just a -crat bastard sinking other "merits" around her/him to protect her/his merit (in case you didn't realized, in the real world there's never a single idea or person that has merit).

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @07:41PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @07:41PM (#107131)

        A noble utopia pretty much as "true communism"

        Yes. (Especially if you replace "as" with "is" and reverse the order.)

        merit takes time to accumulate and be recognized

        In a properly-functioning working group, each worker will be allowed to find his niche.
        In a cooperative, the entire group of **workers** votes on who is assigned what task(s).
        When the goal is a harmonious group and maximum efficiency, that gets reevaluated often and things tend to work themselves out.
        Is that form of bottom-up enterprise subject to politics? Certainly.
        Does it have less of a bad-decisions bottleneck than top-down enterprises? I would say Yes.

        A top-down enterprise will have an overseer who is simply a product of the Peter Principle [wikipedia.org] where he has risen 1 slot above his proficiencies and has stalled at that level.
        Not only can't he do the job he's been assigned, he can't pick viable replacements for the positions that have opened up below him (because the good workers have transfered out|quit).

        IME, the Peter Principle is the way a "meritocracy" works out.

        ...then there's nepotism, where the boss's kid gets the job of supervisor, skipping multiple levels, having demonstrated no merit at all.

        Whenever I hear "meritocracy", I think of the flick "How to Succeed in Business Without Really Trying". [wikipedia.org]

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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 17 2014, @01:11PM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 17 2014, @01:11PM (#106987) Journal

    Sociopathic managers take over companies, drive off the meritocracy, and run them into the ground.

    Most of the time (and always on the long run) they are doing society a favour.

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    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday October 17 2014, @09:47PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Friday October 17 2014, @09:47PM (#107159) Journal

      How is that a benefit to society?

      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday October 17 2014, @11:19PM

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 17 2014, @11:19PM (#107187) Journal

        Invariably, when a company becomes big enough to justify an MBA graduate, it becomes big, bureaucratic and arthritic (as opposed to mobile/flexible). Give it enough time, it becomes a hindrance for "saplings" (new growth, better adapted to newer conditions).

        Put shortly: letting aside global extinction events, it takes parasites/illnesses to kill a dinosaur.

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        • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Friday October 17 2014, @11:57PM

          by kaszz (4211) on Friday October 17 2014, @11:57PM (#107203) Journal

          I thought keeping good companies, is good?

          But MBA as the decision maker in management is likely a warning sign of doom.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday October 18 2014, @06:59AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 18 2014, @06:59AM (#107277) Journal

            I thought keeping good companies is good?

            A good company is a small company (unless you happen to like group sex, that is).

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            • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Saturday October 18 2014, @12:56PM

              by kaszz (4211) on Saturday October 18 2014, @12:56PM (#107296) Journal

              How would you handle something like a space launch operation of asteroid mining? it will take huge resources both in terms of materials and people. But I guess the optimum is when the corporate size is at parity with the core business task. Giving no room for chaff people.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @02:02PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @02:02PM (#107009)

    You have stumbled into what happens in most political economic systems. It ignores the douchbag. It ignores the lazy guy who just wants to skate by. It ignores the guy who is into power for powers sake. It ignores the guy who is greedy.

    These systems *only* work perfectly if everyone is perfect and willing to work 100% all the time. That is never true. At which points the regulations come out... Then the regulations are eventually used as a tool to oppress the majority for the whims of the minority.

  • (Score: 2) by hoochiecoochieman on Friday October 17 2014, @02:36PM

    by hoochiecoochieman (4158) on Friday October 17 2014, @02:36PM (#107026)

    The people who shout the loudest and promote themselves get the attention. Bosses use favoritism and cronyism to create cliques.

    It's not that "black and white", even the most sociopathic boss will need people to perform actual work. He knows he can't survive solely on bullshit.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @02:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @02:52PM (#107032)

      The boss only has to survive long enough to get a more lucrative position elsewhere. Any damage that shows up only after he left is no problem for him.

    • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday October 17 2014, @04:57PM

      by Thexalon (636) on Friday October 17 2014, @04:57PM (#107075)

      He knows he can't survive solely on bullshit.

      Au contraire!

      The story of one such manager:
      1. She starts by buying out a vaguely-but-not-exactly-related business for a 10-figure sum. She is placed in charge of that business, and mismanages it so badly that she turns a growing and profitable business into a shrinking and unprofitable one. Most of the staff that she hired weren't doing their jobs, but furiously trying to out-politic each other to blame other people for the failure. She is not punished for this, but praised by higher-ups for her bold vision.

      2. She then doubles down by buying out an even less related business for 5 times more than the purchase of the first business. She runs that into the ground as well, in roughly the same manner, and with many of the same people. In response, upper management promotes her, again citing her risk-taking and bold vision.

      3. After her promotion, she immediately fires 3 of the other top executives, who's divisions had been exceeding their expectations to cover over her spectacular losses.

      4. Eventually, upper management figures out what she's really all about, and responds by firing or reassigning most of her staff. When they go to fire her clique that had been with her through the 2 failures, she has some sort of change of heart, tries to protect them, and is fired for that. (Had she been willing to backstab her subordinates, I'm quite certain she would have remained as a top executive at that company.)

      I guess there were a few people who did actual work in the 2 businesses she ran into the ground, but that was something like 8 people out of a staff of 40.

      Remember, most of a business's personnel are professional liars [dilbert.com].

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      • (Score: 2) by hoochiecoochieman on Friday October 17 2014, @05:13PM

        by hoochiecoochieman (4158) on Friday October 17 2014, @05:13PM (#107083)

        So, your point is that Capitalism doesn't work?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @08:10PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @08:10PM (#107136)

          CRONY Capitalism certainly doesn't work well for anyone but the cronies.
          The total number of people who sit on corporate boards is surprisingly small.
          Why is that? They sit on EACH OTHER'S boards.

          ...and to put a fine point on GP's point: Leo Apotheker.
          Having failed at SAP, he was hired by HP (where he failed again).
          Both times, he got a giant golden parachute. [wikipedia.org]
          He didn't even have to -buy- anything.

          -- gewg_

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 18 2014, @01:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 18 2014, @01:28AM (#107226)

        Why do you hate Carly?
        (or is there another one just as bad that I haven't heard of?)

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @03:16PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 17 2014, @03:16PM (#107047)

    The people who shout the loudest and promote themselves get the attention.

    This.

    Those that are better at influencing others - regardless of their technical abilities or 'rightness' - break the Meritocracy ideal every time. Then they bubble up the management chain and populate the decision making management levels. If you want to create and maintain a Meritocracy, you need to somehow remove influence and maintain facts/success as the decision criteria. Which, in the world today is unheard of.

  • (Score: 2) by mojo chan on Friday October 17 2014, @04:01PM

    by mojo chan (266) on Friday October 17 2014, @04:01PM (#107065)

    It doesn't work in the real world because it is hard to measure an individual's contribution to the company objectively. Ideas rarely form in a vacuum or come from just one person, and even when they do they are often mis-attributed.

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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday October 18 2014, @12:13AM

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Saturday October 18 2014, @12:13AM (#107207)

    Shouting the loudest and promoting yourself (/ your interests) is how you succeed in sales, and no company succeeds without a successful sales department - so, that will always be some component of the corporate culture, and one that is paid close attention to by top management.

    Within some departments, meritocracy can, and even does, work. R&D / Engineering being one - if the rest of the corporate culture will allow the nerds to run their "who's the smartest" fest and ignore what's important "in the real world."

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  • (Score: 2) by NoMaster on Saturday October 18 2014, @02:30AM

    by NoMaster (3543) on Saturday October 18 2014, @02:30AM (#107234)

    If meritocracy is so great, why don't people use it in the real world?

    Possibly because any intelligent person who tries to implement one quickly realises that the concept is (quite literally, as the summary explained) a joke?

    So only unintelligent people try to implement one, or claim they've implemented one...

    (Cue someone claiming "Linux development is a meritocracy!" - followed by a long pause, and nowhere near enough people going "Doh!"...)

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