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posted by cmn32480 on Thursday June 18 2015, @11:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the from-his-lips-to-gods-ears dept.

Despite the santorum splattered about, the Pontiff of the Church Universal and Triumphant [EDIT: This is actually referring to the Roman Catholic Church, not the Church Universal and Triumphant] is going to agree with the climate change consensus in an encyclical to be released on Thursday. Early leaks give some idea of the content.

Pope Francis is preparing to declare humans as primarily responsible for climate change, call for fossil fuels to be replaced by renewable energy and decry the culture of consumerism, a leaked draft of his much anticipated statement on the environment suggests.

The source for this somehow concerns Australians, but we will take any indication of infallibility where we can get it.

So the humble submitter has to wonder, does this mean that climate-change deniers are now to be considered heretics, rather than just Petro shills or anti-environmental conservative conspiracy theorists? It does add a entirely new dimension to the debate, and I hope that God will forgive your Conservative asses for screwing up Her creation in the quest for profit.

UPDATE - janrinok 18 Jun 12:36UTC

is it possible to update/append aristarchus' post "Pope Affirms Anthropogenic Global Warming" (https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/06/17/0317256), as follows:

Update: The encyclical can be read and downloaded here.

I am not affiliated with the submitter, aristarchus, or the pope. I have a slightly paranoid reason for asking for this update; it is my experience that, whenever politically important documents are published, the actual document often gets overshadowed by an enormous load of blog commentary, providing a bit of "damage control" and "spin". It is my fervent opinion that the readership of Soylentnews deserves to read the actual source documents. (It's only 82 pages long, in this case, anyway).


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Wednesday June 17 2015, @05:29PM

    by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday June 17 2015, @05:29PM (#197382)

    That was pretty much the worst summary yet posted, at least as long as I have been reading. Things have almost fallen to the level of hyper progressive zaniness that infests the other place, all that is left is for the purges to begin.

    Despite the santorum splattered about,

    Really? Is that the new level of political discourse, promoting some stupid googlebomb by Savage? Agree or disagree with Sen. Santorum but nobody deserves that sort of abuse. I really couldn't imagine similar treatment for a Democratic candidate in an article summary, even a novelty/joke one. Simply wouldn't be within the Overton Window of possibility. So unless you guys on the Blue Team really are declaring unrestricted warfare now, and are ready for the return fire, knock that crap off. Please remember that by this time next year you guys are going to be dutifully ranked behind the most unpleasant, corrupt and unqualified person to seek the office in living memory, probably not the best time to cast away all limits in political debate. Comments come from commenters, nobody can really police them other than modding them into oblivion but the staff can and should be held to slightly higher standards of manners.

    So the humble submitter has to wonder, does this mean that climate-change deniers are now to be considered heretics

    Since most here aren't Catholic, no. And I doubt any of the few who claim to be obey the Church anyway. I certainly do not and have not based my objections to the overly politicized crap being peddled as Science on anything a religious organization said in the past and don't plan to start. I'll continue to argue the issue as a political one and marginally a scientific question. The ground is much more stable there. When I stick to those arguments the conversation always devolves to Ad Hominum so I know I'm on the right track.

    Besides, anyone paying attention wasn't shocked by this, the College of Cardinals was corrupted enough to elect a Liberation Theologist, we knew the days of Pope Paul's time when the Church was a useful ally of Liberty and Reason were finished. What I'm waiting for is to hear what these same people cackling with glee today say when the Pope restates his opposition to other issues near and dear to their political plans. Somehow I just know the words infallible or heretic won't be included in those stories.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by rts008 on Wednesday June 17 2015, @07:39PM

    by rts008 (3001) on Wednesday June 17 2015, @07:39PM (#197472)

    Please remember that by this time next year you guys are going to be dutifully ranked behind the most unpleasant, corrupt and unqualified person to seek the office in living memory, probably not the best time to cast away all limits in political debate.

    In reference to your argument, the current 'Clown-car Demolition Derby' that passes as a poor excuse for the Republican Primaries, is supposed to inspire more confidence? LOL!!

    Jon Stewart thanking the Republican party for saving his joke writers so much work was spot on. And the Republicans have come out with guns drawn...aimed straight for their own feet. It will be entertaining to watch the clown show this time around.

    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday June 18 2015, @12:19AM

      by jmorris (4844) on Thursday June 18 2015, @12:19AM (#197611)

      Eh? I'd say that this is what an open primary is supposed to look like. We have an embarrassment of riches; a lot of quality candidates stepped up this time along with a couple of.... well not so quality ones. Ahem! Trump. Cough.

      Under no circumstance could I vote for Bush or Christie in a general election. Just no. Also couldn't vote for Huck, Trump or Graham but aren't actually worried about that eventuality. Probably have to put Kasich in this list too, but haven't 'officially' done that yet, might end up dropping him down to the next one.. need to hear him out first.

      I could tolerate Rubio, Fiorina (barely and with hard liquor before.. thankfully she is probably only running for Veep), Perry (still haven't forgiven him for calling me a bigot; his being high on pain meds only buys so much ignoring of past performance), and if the universe glitched and nominated Carson I'd give him a go too. Carson is way too green for my taste, good man, smart as hell but POTUS really isn't entry level. He should run for House, Senate or a Statewide office. Liked what Pataki had to say the one time I have caught him, but will likely have to end up moving him to the NO list before it is over, NY Republicans can't help themselves.

      Assuming no shocking plot twists I like both Cruz and Walker. Cruz is the pure play on no compromise Conservatism but Walker sits on his Throne of Skulls made from his enemies and I find I can forgive many digressions on specific policies in the face of such a fighting spirit. And assuming hell froze over and let em get the nomination I'd probably like Jindal and Santorum as candidates too. They can both check all the boxes, Jindal not as much on foreign policy though. At least I haven't heard my gov say too much on foreign policy.

      Paul is, sadly, a Paul so every day I lean more to putting him into the no list but haven't yet. Alas. He showed such promise. The Mrs. even threw him a few dollars when he was running for the Senate... she too is disappointed now.

      Know I am forgetting a couple, hard for even a political junkie to keep em all straight. Should be a fun couple of months while the list gets thinned down.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 18 2015, @08:34AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 18 2015, @08:34AM (#197726)

    >That was pretty much the worst summary yet posted, at least as long as I have been reading.

    Says UID 4844

    >hyper progressive zaniness

    Please, try to be more ernest, on no account show a sense of humour.

    >nobody deserves that sort of abuse.

    They do if they're a fucking idiot, and he is.

    >I really couldn't imagine similar treatment for a Democratic candidate in an article summary

    Really? Couldnt you?! GOSH!!! Well thats convinced me.

    >So unless you guys on the Blue Team

    Whats this Blue Team shit? The left has been red 4EVAH you fuckhead. You know "better red than dead"?
    "We'll keep the red flag flyig here!"

    >really are declaring unrestricted warfare now, and are ready for the return fire, knock that crap off.

    Warfare? Really? Can you fight with that stick up your ass?

    >Please remember that by this time next year you guys are going to be dutifully ranked behind the most unpleasant

    Look you fucking idiot, just because someone critisises a conservative it doesnt folow they're a democrat.
    You do get that right? You knob.

    >staff can and should be held to slightly higher standards of manners.

    Bullshit, the "staff" do a fucking amazing job, maye if you'd ever submitted a story you'd know
    that? Huh? Huh? Yuh-think?