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on Wednesday October 21 2015, @09:08PM
from the we-put-a-man-on-the-moon,-but-we-wont-do-that dept.
from the we-put-a-man-on-the-moon,-but-we-wont-do-that dept.
Microsoft's telemetry features in Windows 10 are a privacy advocate's nightmare. Now that Microsoft is trying to back port these "features" into existing versions of Windows, it seems like many of us have no future upgrade path. Sure there is Linux, but I have some older Windows software that I still want to use. ReactOS is still out there, but does not look like there have been any updates in a while.
Does the Soylent community believe it is possible to get this project going full steam to producing a useable alternative for existing Windows users?
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(Score: 3, Informative) by unzombied on Wednesday October 21 2015, @10:20PM
If by few you mean lots (13 000 or so [winehq.org]), then yes.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 21 2015, @11:40PM
And those are only the ones where people cared enough to get an account, log in, and fill out their form. There are at least 20 apps I've used just fine with WINE, but could not be bothered to fill that in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @04:36AM
Self-deprecating? Yes.
Slothful and willing to admit it? Yes?
Informative about the incompleteness of the database? Yes.
Flamebait? I don't get it.
-- gewg_
(Score: 3, Informative) by Lunix Nutcase on Thursday October 22 2015, @12:00AM
Of which nearly a 1/3 have a "garbage" rating. And nearly half of all apps fall into the lowest two ratings.
(Score: 2) by unzombied on Thursday October 22 2015, @12:54AM
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Thursday October 22 2015, @01:01AM
No, go count how many are Gold with -no- notes. You can get rated gold and still have showstopper bugs like no printing, broken networking, can't use required hardware, etc. By the time you really get down to the real world usability of non-trivial applications the number is low. And you just write off from the beginning -all- of the applications that are brought up in the first breath when you suggest just migrating to Linux. Internet Explorer (i.e. ActiveX plugins for internal use), Office, Photoshop, etc. None of those work.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday October 22 2015, @10:55AM
That's weird. How come my g/f's been using MS Office in Wine (Crossover Office's version) for nearly a decade. Every day. As $DAYJOB, in fact. OK, she's running an old version of Office, but she works in fields where the documents *are* the product (academia, legislative, media/press, etc.), and in those fields *noone* likes the modern gimicky versions of Office, and they're actively avoided. (Not true about all academia, as of course the youngsters come in and all they know is the latest lamest version of the suite. However, the journals themselves actively favour the continuity of using the older versions.)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @04:42PM
yeah, those dumbass companies deserve what they have coming.
(Score: 2) by Lunix Nutcase on Thursday October 22 2015, @02:45AM
You falsely assume those 6000 apps work flawlessly. That isn't even remotely the case.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @10:20PM
Why do you hold Wine to the standard that the programs have to work flawlessly when a lot of them don't work flawlessly in Windows proper?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 01 2015, @12:27AM
Working flawlessly in WINE should really be interpreted as working as well as it does in Windows.
(Score: 1) by Zappy on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:04AM
If you select Platinum rating and limit it to the last few versions of wine you get 115 applications of which 85 are in the Games category.
So while I applaud the effort, and having ran some applications with some level of success in Wine myself it is nowhere near a universal solution for running Windows applications.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @01:13PM
If you don't restrict to the last few versions of Wine, then you get 4051 Platinum ratings.
Now this could mean that newer versions of Wine broke thousands of applications. But much more likely is that for most of those it's just that nobody bothered to explicitly enter into the database that those applications actually continue to work on newer versions.
(Score: 2) by Lunix Nutcase on Thursday October 22 2015, @01:32PM
If you don't restrict to the last few versions of Wine, then you get 4051 Platinum ratings.
Which isn't really meaningful. You're including versions of wine that haven't been actively maintained or in use for years and you're also including in development versions which major distros like Debian and Ubuntu are not shipping. On the other hand, Debian testing [debian.org] and Ubuntu 15.10 [ubuntu.com] use Wine 1.6.2 (latest stable) which has only 153 platinum apps or not even 2% of all applications in that DB.
(Score: 2) by Lunix Nutcase on Thursday October 22 2015, @01:37PM
And of those, 92 are games. So that leaves us only 61 non-games that have a platinum rating in the stable version of Wine. Of which only 11 are productivity apps, none of which are major applications like Microsoft Office or Photoshop.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Freeman on Thursday October 22 2015, @04:08PM
While I agree that the recent versions of MS Office and Photoshop aren't at platinum level. Photoshop 7 and Microsoft Office 2002 (XP) do have Platinum ratings. Microsoft Office 2002 (XP) is noted as tested using the "most recent stable" version of Wine v1.6.1.
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(Score: 2) by Lunix Nutcase on Thursday October 22 2015, @05:54PM
1.6.2 is the recent stable. That's why it's what is shipped in Debian and Ubuntu 15.10. And, neither of those are listed as platinum in 1.6.2.
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?bIsQueue=false&bIsRejected=false&sClass=application&sTitle=Browse+Applications&iItemsPerPage=25&iPage=1&sOrderBy=appName&bAscending=true [winehq.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @12:16AM
Just because it's in that list doesn't mean it actually runs or runs well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @01:55AM
Nothing I've ever ran through wine in the past 5 years worked properly out of the box except for really barebones self written programs, those things that do work will suffer from various anomalies that wont manifest themselves immediately.