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on Thursday October 22 2015, @06:09PM
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Apple and Dropbox said Tuesday that they oppose a controversial cybersecurity bill that, according to critics, would give the government sweeping new powers to spy on Americans in the name of protecting them from hackers.
The announcement by the two companies comes days before the Senate expects to vote on the legislation, known as the Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act, or CISA.
"We don't support the current CISA proposal," Apple said in a statement. "The trust of our customers means everything to us and we don't believe security should come at the expense of their privacy."
Dropbox said that the bill needed more privacy protections in order to win its support.
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Grelb's Reminder:
Eighty percent of all people consider themselves to be above
average drivers.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @07:09PM
That's as far as I have to read to know I oppose it as well.
(Score: 2) by Kromagv0 on Thursday October 22 2015, @07:29PM
While a reasonable dig at Feinstein this is something that will have broad appeal to both parties. I'm surprises none of my congress critters have gotten behind it although since this is in the senate one of my senators won't dare take a controversial position before a vote and the other seems to like to hang back and be quiet after getting elected. If it were in the house my representative would be on it like flies on shit.
T-Shirts and bumper stickers [zazzle.com] to offend someone
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @07:57PM
I got the impression that the house version passed a few months ago.
(Score: 2) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday October 22 2015, @11:03PM
Damn it. I was looking to provide citation, but I instead found this: *sigh* [techdirt.com]. Figures. Both senators from the backwards state I call home voted for it.
So, everybody, click the link and see whether or not you need to vote against the incumbent next year. Here's a helpful diagram [wikipedia.org] so you can plan ahead. Match the names in the class 3 column to the 83 names listed in the first link. Also note that Sanders (I-VT) has today voted against this crap.
Heck, why don't I just do it for you? That's how disgusted I am right now. Regex here :w incumbents, regex there :w traitors, cat traitors | xargs -n1 -I '{}' grep {} incumbents, regex to add li../li, and nyan~!
(Score: 2) by Kromagv0 on Friday October 23 2015, @01:17PM
And low and behold both Klobuchar and Franken voted for it. Figures Amy Klobuchar is all about bigger nanny state government with broad support from both parties it is a pretty non controversial position to take.
T-Shirts and bumper stickers [zazzle.com] to offend someone
(Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:01PM
I'm hoping that the last few years of revelations have inspired a little more caution. Feinstein has always been pro nanny / authoritarian state. Maybe a critical mass will form and some consciences will spring into being to slam the US into a sharp U-turn to its ideals... Or just the leaking of their private lives will shake them up enough.
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @09:22PM
Maybe a critical mass will form and some consciences will spring into being to slam the US into a sharp U-turn to its ideals...
It's adorable that you think this. I bet you're soft and cuddly!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday October 23 2015, @06:03PM
While a reasonable dig at Feinstein this is something that will have broad appeal to both parties.
Yeah, unfortunately they are very willing to cross the aisle on this issue. Where's the partisan politics when you need them?
Proponents CISA include the bill's main cosponsors, senators Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Richard Burr (R-NC).[8]
The sliver lining:
Some senators have announced opposition to CISA, including Ron Wyden (D-OR), Rand Paul (R-KY), and Bernie Sanders (I-VT).[18]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @07:58PM
Because you would have been for it otherwise? Why must everything be something partisan?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:17PM
I fall on the left side of the spectrum (assuming a 2D spectrum) and I dislike Feinstein with a passion. Its not partisan at all, shes an all around bad person.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:48PM
So again, why would you have been for this if Feinstein didn't support?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:53PM
Um you have an issue with reading comprehension it seems.
I do not like Feinstein. If Feinstein is for something my initial reaction is to be against it.
Ohh and you have an issue with getting your meaning across clearly. As far as I can tell It needs to be parsed as "Why would you have been in favor of this if Feinstein is not a supporter. " Assuming that is correct my previous post should answer your question.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:54PM
I do not like Feinstein. If Feinstein is for something my initial reaction is to be against it.
Then you're an idiot and the reason our political system is so broken.
Ohh and you have an issue with getting your meaning across clearly. As far as I can tell It needs to be parsed as "Why would you have been in favor of this if Feinstein is not a supporter. " Assuming that is correct my previous post should answer your question.
I don't have any issues getting meaning across. My statement was perfectly clear. Why does it matter AT ALL who is a supporter or not of a bill over the substance?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by hemocyanin on Thursday October 22 2015, @11:38PM
Of course it matters who supports or says something. It's this thing called "credibility" and it is important in real life and politics because it is impossible to evaluate everything down to the last detail -- you could never get on with your life if you didn't make decisions based on credibility. It would take you a week just to analyze the contents of your breakfast to decide if eating it was a good idea or not. Instead, we engage in trust because to do otherwise would make living impossible.
Simple example: a plumber who comes with a recommendation from a friend, has a number of positive online reviews, and an actual physical shop suggests you need to fix a pipe. You'll probably believe that plumber because of credibility reasons. If some random person tells you the same thing, you'll probably not act on it for _lack_ of credibility reasons, and if you do act, it is to go find someone you believe is credible and get their opinion on the matter.
Take this from the negative side: Bernie Madoff calls you up and says "hey, I have a sure fire investment opportunity just for you!" You probably just hang up the phone rather than investigate. Why? Madoff's past actions leave him without any credibility at all. This is a totally reasonable and rational decision.
So, to the statement at issue, all the GP said is that if Feinstein (like Madoff) suggests something, the knee-jerk reaction is to reject it because of her lack of credibility. It does not indicate that he would support it if someone else suggested the bill, just that given Feinstein's track record, the chance that there is anything good in the bill isn't worth the waste of life (time) it would take to investigate. That is a rational and reasonable response because again, you can't investigate every single thing in the world and you must sometimes rely on such factors as credibility.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 23 2015, @05:42AM
Of course it matters who supports or says something. It's this thing called "credibility" and it is important in real life and politics because it is impossible to evaluate everything down to the last detail -- you could never get on with your life if you didn't make decisions based on credibility.
This leads to extremely lazy thinking where people often dismiss others' arguments for arbitrary reasons. Examine the proposal and decide if it is good or bad based on its own merits. You don't have to scrutinize something down to the last detail; you could do a shallow analysis, such as by reading summaries. Yeah, you can't investigate everything in the world, but at least use your brain and research something for at least two seconds; that is easily possible.
Credibility itself is often subjective and arbitrary. I love seeing people debating one another claim that the other person has lost their credibility for some completely arbitrary reason, and how this means their argument is defeated. It's especially funny when this happens in a debate where all of the person's arguments are on the table and nothing is hidden in the shadows, so their opponents could just directly respond to their arguments, but they choose not to in favor of claiming that the person lost their mythical "credibility".
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Friday October 23 2015, @04:23PM
such as by reading summaries.
Published by whom?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 23 2015, @01:31AM
Feinstein is evil. If one understands that, then one would naturally look at any proposal by Feinstein as suspicious. The idiot is the person who would accept a Feinstein proposal without examining that proposal, bearing in mind that she is evil.
Applied more broadly, all politicians in Washington are suspect. An idiot accepts that concept, and continues to support everything advanced by their favorite party.
Like the AC you are conversing with, I quite naturally view anything Feinstein says with suspicion. Feinstein is as bad as, or worse than, Hillary Clinton. These women have no love at all for honest working people. They have no love for men. They have no love for white people. They are both from the privileged class, both view us as chumps, fools, tools, cattle, or worse. Our purpose on earth is to admire and worship them, and when we fail to fill that purpose, then we are expendable.
Both those women are on the list of people who could improve the world by simply dropping dead.
And, this post should most definitely NOT cause you to believe that there are no Republicans on that same list. The elder Bush falls short of making the list, but both of his sons make it. Both are just as "entitled" as the two women I've already mentioned.
May I reiterate AC's point, "NO DYNASTIES!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 22 2015, @08:53PM
To put this another way to my first reply, why would some random person supporting or not supporting it matter over the substance of the bill? Are you saying if every politician you did like supported it that you'd have to support it?
Basically, you're muddying up a legitimate discussion with something completely pointless and has little to do with the merits (or lack thereof) of the bill.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by number11 on Thursday October 22 2015, @09:28PM
why would some random person supporting or not supporting it matter over the substance of the bill?
Nobody said it mattered over the substance of the bill. But when you have someone whose biases are well known (and the opposite of yours), it's not unreasonable to assume that when she sponsors the bill, it doesn't mean that she's suddenly seen the light and adopted your position.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday October 23 2015, @04:27PM
Are you saying if every politician you did like supported it that you'd have to support it?
No. It's an instant veto if e.g. Hitler and Stalin support something. If no clearly evil people support it, then you research it and make up your mind.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Friday October 23 2015, @12:06AM
Yes, regardless of leanings, she is not leaning in to be a part of club we want to be a part of. She's a clear example of how she forgot that she was voted in to act as a democrat party member, and she is not supposed to reveal she's a marionette of the present control apparatus. Each party has to play their part. (there are, of course, good people trying to make a difference in many elected office positions. I think she is trying to get half-strength vampires under her control after biting them.)
The various freedoms that one comes to take for granted in a democracy are something she's tolerated and rarely seems to have endorsed. At least... in recent times. I wasn't paying attention to her until she got involved in how our liberties are to be preserved.
I recall her deciding to be against spying for a while, when a drone was caught spying on her. Prior to then it was only a little people problem, so when she was no longer immune to the problem, then, there ought to be a law to prevent that.
The clipper chip initiative did not work then, but there appears to be great success to get it to work now, in future proof fashion. Only criminals will have privacy if this sort of law passes.
(Score: 2) by Hyperturtle on Friday October 23 2015, @12:11AM
(I missed a span of years there in my haste to press next to continue and post the message. This is an addendum to my post...For those of you that do not remember, there was a Big Brother Inside logo campaign going on to bring attention to the government proposal to make everyone safe by putting in a government controlled encryption chip that by the means of which was not described to the public would for some reason never ever be crackable by anyone else and was purely to keep you and your fax machines and PDAs and storage devices totally safe and readable without requiring to beat you with a $5 wrench first because they could just get into it.
That initiative was defeated by many good people across the operating system ideology spectrums of the time [linux/windows/mac people, dos holdouts and then normal people like privacy advocates and so on]. It looks like the chip is no longer necessary for the government to compel organizations to get what they want, though.)