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Seagate has launched an 8TB disk drive for surveillance use, enabling up to 6PB of CCTV data in a rack.
This is a 3.5-inch form-factor drive and joins the existing set of 8TB Archive, Enterprise Capacity, Enterprise NAS and Kinetic disk drives. It follows on from the 6TB model announced in September last year. That had 6 platters and a 642Gbit/in2 areal density.
Seagate says the 8TB disk has 1.33TB/platter, which we calculate to mean about 854Gbit/in2 IT comes in 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 and 8TB capacity points, and features;
- 7,200rpm spin speed
- 6Gbit/s SATA interface and up to 256MB cache
- Up to 230MB/sec sustained transfer speed for 8TB capacity; 180MB/sec at lower capacities
- 64 cameras supported
- Rotational vibration sensors enabling it to work reliably in 8-bay and larger enclosures
- Designed for 24 x 7 operation and up to 180TB/year workload, the same as the shingled 8TB Archive drive which spins at 5,900rpm
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(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 01 2015, @04:03PM
One of the most unreliable POS's around.
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/hard-drive-reliability-stats-for-q2-2015/ [backblaze.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 01 2015, @04:10PM
To be fair they are ~WD or better on the newer drives. Do not buy a 3tb or 1.5tb from them.
What I am wondering is how a HD supports cameras? It is storage? Storage is storage and it either can or can not sustain a particular throughput. It either supports the SATA spec or it doesnt. This looks like market segmentation to juice a bit extra out of someone.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday November 01 2015, @04:23PM
"this looks like market segmentation"
When I started shopping for hard drives, I felt much the same way. I could get this drive for $x, or I could get that drive with the word "enterprise" tagged on for $x+. And, I couldn't really find a difference between the two. The single tag that I found that seemed to mean anything, were variations on "RE" or "Raid Enhanced". And, that tag seemed to depend more on the size of the cache, than anything else.
My takeaway was, get the largest cache, and the drive will be suitable for just about anything you might want to use it for. Speed of the drive is only a close second consideration. From there, a glance at MTBF charts should make your mind up as to which drive(s) to buy. Forget about all those marketing terms, they are worthless.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 01 2015, @08:56PM
From the same source as above: "the failure rate of enterprise drives is actually higher than that of the consumer drives." [backblaze.com]
(Score: 2) by mendax on Sunday November 01 2015, @07:10PM
Seagate = shit. It's been that way for a long time and it remains that way. Over the last three years I've bought three Seagate external HDs and ALL of them have gone bad. I've gone to Costco to replace them and two of the Seagates I've bought from them were bad, generating write errors or so MacOS X is reporting. The latest dead one is sitting on the floor in my office until I can return it to Costco. I will never buy a Seagate product again. Never, never, never!
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday November 03 2015, @12:49AM
Yes they are shit BUT they DO have their uses. What would that be? Simple...scratch drives. I have plenty of customers that do A/V work, graphic art work, or other uses that have large temp files, we're talking upwards of 40GB+ for a single temp file is quite doable and they can be working on a dozen projects at once, for those types of tasks? The cheap Seagate drives are just perfect, in fact I picked up a 3TB Seagate for doing my multitrack editing and temp files for game streaming footage. If this drive dies? Meh, I have the original files in FLAC format or in the case of the game footage it just gives me an excuse to play more.
So even Seagate has its uses, its just rather niche. Would I use the 3TB as a main drive? Oh fuck no, what are you nuts? That is what my SSD is for, maybe backups? Again not a chance, that is what the twin 2TB Samsung Ecogreens are in my system to do, but why add wear and tear to those drives when all I'm doing is messing with large scratch files? Better to just throw all the temp stuff on the cheap ass Seagate, for that job it works just fine.
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(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Tuesday November 03 2015, @06:46PM
Meh, that's how I feel about WD. Never seen a Western Digital drive make it longer than 2 years. Never seen a Seagate fail at all. YMMV.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday November 03 2015, @08:56PM
Then you have either 1.- Gotten VERY lucky, or 2.- Buy 1TB and under drives exclusively, because above 1TB? the Seagates are just garbage, I've thrown more 1.5TB and above Seagates in the trash at the shop than all other brands COMBINED.
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(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Wednesday November 04 2015, @01:17PM
Yeah, all the 1TB+ drives that I own are HGST.
And yes, I realize they're owned by WD now.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Thursday November 05 2015, @11:11PM
Actually HGST is a subsidiary of WD which is a VERY important difference! If they had been bought out and dismantled like Seagate did to Samsung that would be one thing, but in the case of Hitachi they kept the Hitachi plant and production facility as is. So when you buy an HGST its no different than when it was run by Hitachi, the only difference is who does the distribution.
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(Score: 2) by Justin Case on Sunday November 01 2015, @07:35PM
Thank you for this link! I've wasted soooo much time on flaky drives, but every brand seems as awful as the next. Based on that article I just ordered 3 from HGST.
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday November 01 2015, @09:17PM
What I thought was interesting is HGST is a Western Digital company. Weird, same company but the lesser known name has better reliability. This seems backwards to me. Can someone explain why a company would do this?
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday November 01 2015, @10:20PM
HGST is the new name for Hitachi Global Storage Technologies, which was sold by Hitachi to Western Digital. They agreed to have separate lines in that agreement. The reason was because HGST got a reputation in the enterprise for reliability because of its use by IBM; and that means that keeping them separate they increase profitability. Business will pay more if they get more for the buck.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Hairyfeet on Monday November 02 2015, @04:48AM
From what I understand while WD owns the brand its still using the Hitachi equipment which would explain why the Hitachi drives are so much better.
IMHO Samsung and Hitachi were the best 2 brands to own by far and now that there are no more Samsung drives I've switched to Hitachi. As far as Seagate drives go? If you are just using it for a scratch drive or for junk you don't really care about they're cheap, but otherwise avoid like the clap as they really are bottom o' the line junk. Its ironic that once upon a time Seagate was THE brand to buy but when they bought Maxtor instead of bringing Maxtor up to their level it appears that Maxtor brought Seagate down to its. Damn shame but the numbers do not lie, and I've personally thrown away more Seagate drives in the shop that every other brand put together, they are just garbage.
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(Score: 2) by jasassin on Monday November 02 2015, @10:52PM
Thanks for the reply! Very informative and interesting. I appreciate it. I know what to look out for and why.
Cheers!
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(Score: 3, Informative) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday November 03 2015, @12:03AM
You're welcome. BTW if you want the inside skinny on why Seagates turned to shit? Its the rumor that went around the builder forums but most of their rumors are frankly better than other sites facts so I personally believe it, anyway here goes..
When Seagate bought Maxtor they got Maxtor's IP, which included an ARM controller that was waaaaayyyy cheaper than the one Seagate was using, we're talking cheap enough you could build 3 of the Maxtor controller boards for the price of a single Seagate...so what's the problem? Simple its VERY sensitive to heat and if it overheats? It loses its little mind and forgets where the end of the drive sectors are, thus causing data loss and even damaging the heads. this is part of why Seagate rushed out all those firmware patches when their 1.5TB drives came out, they were trying to stop the drives banging the heads against the sides when the ARM controller cooked. But of course the PHBs refused to let the engineers toss the shitty ARM controller, instead merely patching it and lowering the warranty rather than spend an extra buck per unit fixing it with a decent unit. There was even a list on the forums going around telling you which serial #s to grab, as the first few runs of the 1.5TB went with the Seagate controller, the rest the shitty Maxtor.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Sunday November 01 2015, @08:08PM
seagate used to be the goto brand. this was about 10 or more years ago. some barracuda series had problems but overall they used to be a great drive company. now, I would avoid them unless I buy enterprise drives and even then I'm not so sure.
for a while I had great luck with samsung but they sold their drive business (I think). IBM (other than desk-scar issue) was very good. fujitsu was great for drives, as well. they are now all gone, more or less.
the one I hated the most - years ago - is now my preferred drive vendor (wd). go figure!
but no matter who makes it, you have to test the hell out of it during the return period. otherwise, you almost always get a refurb if you need to send it back for 'service'.
the race to the bottom has made the users the final (only!) q/a test. if the vendors kept prices so that THEY could do better q/a, we'd all be better off - but they joined the RTTB and so we have what we have - a dreadful mess.
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