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As if they hadn't discredited the movement enough already, feminists are now reportedly attempting to collect scalps from notable men in tech. And they're not worried about little things like the sexual assault they report actually happening.
Feminists in tech have been staging attempted "honey traps" to frame prominent male software developers for sexual assault, according to explosive claims on the blog of Eric S. Raymond, a pioneer of the open source movement. In allegations that will rock the world of software development, prominent targets included Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux kernel.
Raymond quoted excerpts from an online chat with a trusted source, who told him that the Ada Inititiative, a recently-discontinued feminist advocacy group in tech, was trying to "collect scalps" by concocting charges of attempted sexual assault against male software developers.
The source told Raymond that the "MO" of the feminists was to "get alone with the target, and then immediately report "attempted sexual assault." The source said he had stopped mentoring female developers over fears that they might fabricate such charges.
In before someone disbelieves the message because they dislike the messenger.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:57AM
Let me start by saying I love ESR on many levels. He helped introduce me to the world of free software, and he helped solidify me in my early libertarian thinking. I even visited the Hacker's Dictionary today on catb.org - thanks, ESR! I recognize he rubs a lot of people the wrong way, but overall I like him.
That said, let me just say, Eric, if you are listening - almost everybody who reads this is going to dismiss you as paranoid! Now in true SN fashion I didn't read the article, just the summary, so maybe that's just an impression given from the summary.
He mentions that he no longer mentors female developers. Maybe it's just me, but I heard zillions of warnings early in life that if you got into the wrong circumstances you could get in trouble or be accused of doing something you didn't do. The people who warned me never once said anything about feminism. Just that certain circumstances can potentially lead to trouble and if you don't get into them you'll never get in that trouble.
When Bill Cosby's sexual assault allegations came out I was dumbfounded. Not at the content of the allegations, but at the number of women who said Bill Cosby was privately mentoring them. I know this sort of thing goes on all the time, but in my world a married man or a much older man doesn't spend one on one alone time with a woman "mentoring" her. That is total BS and everybody in my culture knows it. (My grandmother tried to pass off her serial infidelities as "Bible studies"!) I would not "mentor" a lady under any circumstances for a whole host of reasons, the primary one being that it would be extremely offensive and hurtful to my wife. I recognize ESR is in an open marriage and all. I'm not! And I would tell my daughters to never get into such a situation - I will be telling them when they are older what Bill Cosby did as well as a lot of other situations I have known about. All kinds of things could happen.
(Plus, folks, we are hackers. Come on, none of us were "mentored." We learned in a room by ourselves, stereotypically our mother's basement, with books and electronic communications, but very little need for face to face mentoring. All of the greats I know are self taught. If they are of age and of sexual maturity and need mentoring, I don't want to waste my time with them!)
I don't need to make any negative comments about feminists at all to believe that it is typically a bad idea for a married man to spend time alone with a woman not his wife or a man who has only professional, not romantic interest, in a woman to spend time alone with her. It can cause all kinds of problems for him. It can cause all kinds of problems for her. And in the world of hackerdom it is completely unnecessary. If I believed there were feminist conspiracy to take down hackers, it's extremely simple to neuter that conspiracy by simply taking basic precautions that are already a good idea in the first place. I could simply keep my mouth shut about said conspiracy and tell people about the dangers in a way that isn't disrespectful to people because of their gender or political beliefs.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:15AM
I know this sort of thing goes on all the time, but in my world a married man or a much older man doesn't spend one on one alone time with a woman "mentoring" her. That is total BS and everybody in my culture knows it.
Then you're a fool. Not everyone has the same goals and desires. What about gays? What about asexuals? What about people who simply aren't interested in having sexual relationships with every female on the face of the planet, or any female at all? It's easy to project, but apparently less easy to understand that other people might be different from yourself or other people you know.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:16AM
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @06:21AM
So you both believe that most or all of men are driven by sexual desire above all others and women will try to trap men with false allegations. Your world is a strange place concocted by an unattractive mind.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @06:25AM
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @07:25AM
Your world seems to be a strange place of non sequiturs
Wonderful. I like a world where nothing follows. Not a bad place, once you get used to it. Just follow me to over here. ERS, the man is a saint! He is a pacifist, who owns no guns! So all criminals, feminists, and socialists, can contribute to his Patreon fund. To get his physical location. So we can have gay sex with him. This is what he wants! You say "non sequitur"? I say, bend over ESR? Equally vaiid.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:39AM
I said nothing of my worldview, only what you are arguing. Mirroring is the term that comes to mind in regard to your own actions.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @01:17PM
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @03:18PM
> No, that's not what I was arguing.
I am sure you don't think you were arguing that. But that doesn't stop it from being the logical conclusion of your arguments.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by SanityCheck on Thursday November 05 2015, @02:31PM
Best I can describe it to you is that no it definitely doesn't happen all the time and in all cases. But it definitely happens more often than you would think. Yes people lead different lives, some interesting some not so much so (and I do not mean interesting in a good way, nor that having boring life is bad). So people look at certain things on TVs, in the movies, in books, and in music and think how outrageously outlandish that is. They wonder where do these people even come up with this crap? Truth is more often than not it is inspired by real events (people like to think they are creative but mostly they are just good at recycling), and there are people out there who will see and hear the same exact thing as someone who just dismissed it as outlandish and go "yup, happened to me."
Now if you are a person to whom things like that happen, yes you might think it happens all the time to everyone. Likewise, if you would never find yourself in such a situation you might think it hardly ever happens. It's just the bias we have. Imagining the world beyond the scope of what you see through the two round openings in your skull or what you hear through another set of openings is pretty hard, and impossible for a great deal of people.
(yes I know that your eyes are technically not inside your skull, but seated in the sockets that are part of your skull)
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 05 2015, @02:51PM
GP was talking about men - not all those assorted other creatures.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday November 05 2015, @06:00AM
Pffft, I never doubted for a second that he sounded "paranoid." Look at what happened to Julian Assange. You piss enough people off and being set-up in that manner becomes a very real possibility.
And in today's hysterical political climate, macho men get the short-end of the shit-stick. We had a college kid here whose face was plastered all over the news and he was smeared even after he was cleared of all charges of sexually assaulting a woman he'd previously been with consensually, who before the incident was texting how much she liked him. Sound familiar?
That's why there must be pushback (and, thankfully, a mainstream backlash is gaining steam) against both political correctness and feminism in their current, devious forms.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @09:19AM
Let me see if I have this right:
He mentions that he no longer mentors female developers. Maybe it's just me, but I heard zillions of warnings early in life that if you got into the wrong circumstances you could get in trouble or be accused of doing something you didn't do. The people who warned me never once said anything about feminism. Just that certain circumstances can potentially lead to trouble and if you don't get into them you'll never get in that trouble.
ESR is only doing boys now? Well this certainly is a shocking developer, as they say.