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posted by janrinok on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:25AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-a-sad-world dept.

As if they hadn't discredited the movement enough already, feminists are now reportedly attempting to collect scalps from notable men in tech. And they're not worried about little things like the sexual assault they report actually happening.

Feminists in tech have been staging attempted "honey traps" to frame prominent male software developers for sexual assault, according to explosive claims on the blog of Eric S. Raymond, a pioneer of the open source movement. In allegations that will rock the world of software development, prominent targets included Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux kernel.

Raymond quoted excerpts from an online chat with a trusted source, who told him that the Ada Inititiative, a recently-discontinued feminist advocacy group in tech, was trying to "collect scalps" by concocting charges of attempted sexual assault against male software developers.

The source told Raymond that the "MO" of the feminists was to "get alone with the target, and then immediately report "attempted sexual assault." The source said he had stopped mentoring female developers over fears that they might fabricate such charges.

In before someone disbelieves the message because they dislike the messenger.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:37AM

    by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:37AM (#258698) Homepage Journal

    I have now read the article and I still have no idea what the motivation of these people allegedly is. Do they want money? What is it? Am I supposed to just know?

    BTW, did anyone notice the article was published at breitbart? That's usually good for at least a little bit of ad hominem discrediting in some post, somewhere...

    (Don’t like that, ladies? Tough. You were just fine with collective guilt when the shoe was on the other foot. Enjoy your turn!)

    Two wrongs don't make a right, Eric. You'd be a lot more believable here if you'd take the moral high ground. As it is, it's going to become easier for people to discredit or dismiss you as simply being anti-feminist.

    thanks to the feminist-led introduction of controversial codes of conduct for developers on some open source projects

    If this is what I'm thinking of, the last I checked, ESR was a libertarian like me and believed individual groups had freedom of association and could set whatever codes of conduct for membership that they wanted. I have learned a lot over the last several years about how to eliminate disrespect from my discourse, and I feel I've really benefited from it. My wife degrees, and she does not describe herself as a feminist at all but in fact the opposite!

    It's possible to be a libertarian and also be a feminist. It's possible to be a man and also be a feminist. It's possible to be concerned about disrespectful communication and not be a feminist, and it's possible to be concerned for the welfare of women (physical, emotional, or otherwise) and not be a feminist.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @11:31AM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday November 05 2015, @11:31AM (#258782) Homepage Journal

    Allow me to fill you in then. Third-gen feminism is not about equality. It in fact directly opposes equality and goes instead for control, power, and money for itself through fear and the deconstruction of all things masculine. When cornered into a debate instead of a monologue they will not debate, they will instead shriek the word misogynist over top of you until either you give up or they've had enough and cry harassment.

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    • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @03:05PM

      by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @03:05PM (#258874) Homepage Journal
      So you see these people as extremely dangerous and are afraid of what they could do? I would suggest if you actually know people like this that you simply have nothing to do with them - you'll be much happier for it.
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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:09PM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:09PM (#258912) Homepage Journal

        Fear them? No. No more than I fear rust on a car body. I simply recognize them as a destructive and undesirable force that should be eradicated if you don't want everything falling to shit.

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        • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:38PM

          by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:38PM (#258924) Homepage Journal

          I simply recognize them as a destructive and undesirable force that should be eradicated

          Why can't you just live and let live? I don't get it.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:48PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday November 05 2015, @04:48PM (#258932) Homepage Journal

            Oh, I can. With people who aren't actively attacking me.

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            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:07PM

              by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:07PM (#258938) Homepage Journal

              I guess I am unaware of what they are doing to you. If they are attacking you, call the police and have them arrested. If they are making offensive statements about men all being rapists and being the source of all evil or whatever, I would just separate myself from them. I wouldn't go where they are, wouldn't have relationships with those kinds of people, wouldn't read or listen to what they have to say, etc. There is nobody like that in my life, and if there was, they wouldn't stay there for long. They are free to have a negative opinion of me, but not free to compel me to stay connected to them and listen to what they have to say, and I am much happier for it.

              How are they attacking you?

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              • (Score: 3, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:19PM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:19PM (#258941) Homepage Journal

                Sounds all civil but it is not civil to simply lay down and die when someone attacks your rights as a citizen and human being, it is cowardice. If there are no competing voices, they will get what they shriek for.

                How? Just one example for now because I doubt it will sink in or do any good. Most colleges now take sexual assault (defined as any unwanted touching, even if it wasn't unwanted until well after the fact) accusations as a conviction and expel the male involved. No investigation. No due process. No innocent until proven guilty. No waiting on the actual justice system. No worries if she doesn't even file a police report at all. Hell, no worries if he's never been in a room alone with her at all.

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                • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:31PM

                  by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:31PM (#258947) Homepage Journal

                  Sounds all civil but it is not civil to simply lay down and die when someone attacks your rights as a citizen and human being, it is cowardice

                  Who is laying down and dying? I have a wonderful fulfilling and happy life and don't have to worry about what lunatics out there are shrieking.

                  How? Just one example for now because I doubt it will sink in or do any good. Most colleges now take sexual assault (defined as any unwanted touching, even if it wasn't unwanted until well after the fact) accusations as a conviction and expel the male involved. No investigation. No due process. No innocent until proven guilty. No waiting on the actual justice system. No worries if she doesn't even file a police report at all. Hell, no worries if he's never been in a room alone with her at all.

                  To me the solution to that is colleges should be able to adopt whatever policy they want and you and I should not be compelled to fund them if we don't want to. Your funding could go to a college you agree with and the loons could have their own colleges that do it their way.

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          • (Score: 1) by ralphhogaboom on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:15PM

            by ralphhogaboom (5304) on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:15PM (#259060)

            Your comments here are good stuff. I'm reading, and nodding, and glad you're replying from your reasoned point of view. Keep it up, mate.

            • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:30PM

              by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:30PM (#259065) Homepage Journal
              Thank you!
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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @10:15PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @10:15PM (#259124)

                Lol, text circle jerk here!

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:34PM

      by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:34PM (#258948) Homepage Journal

      When cornered into a debate instead of a monologue they will not debate, they will instead shriek the word misogynist over top of you until either you give up or they've had enough and cry harassment.

      Best not to corner people into debate - nobody responds well to it. Instead of discussions where both people are enthusiastic about the discussion, and end it when somebody isn't any more. I'm getting a lot out of this discussion with you and I hope it's mutual, but I'd hate to be cornering you or anybody else into a debate. I don't need to straighten people out when they are wrong. Lots of people are loons and I enjoy laughing about them privately with my friends. That's much more rewarding than trying to straighten out crazy people.

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:43PM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:43PM (#258957) Homepage Journal

        That's the problem, they are not interested in debate. It has to be brought to them unwillingly. When they say they want a dialogue on something, they mean they want to speak their platform without opposition.

        Witness everything they do to avoid debate: cry harassment, label any disagreement as hate speech, label you a misogynist even if you're an outspoken egalitarian, try to pass actual laws prohibiting hate speech so they can have you thrown in jail if you disagree with them.

        No, I remain unconvinced third gen feminists are reasonable human beings. They are opportunistic, female supremacy extremists. They have no ethics. Their actions have repeatedly proven this.

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        • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday November 05 2015, @06:48PM

          by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday November 05 2015, @06:48PM (#259005) Homepage Journal

          That's the problem, they are not interested in debate. It has to be brought to them unwillingly

          Well if that's what you want to do. But in my experience I'm much happier for not trying to debate such people. I'm a bit like Mal on Firefly in the bar, they confront me with how wrong I am and ask what I'm going to do about it, and I say I'm going to finish my drink and we'll go our separate ways.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @10:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @10:20PM (#259127)

      Third-gen feminism is not about equality. It in fact directly opposes equality and goes instead for control, power, and money for itself through fear and the deconstruction of all things masculine.

      So in other words its not feminism at all, so stop calling it as such.