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As if they hadn't discredited the movement enough already, feminists are now reportedly attempting to collect scalps from notable men in tech. And they're not worried about little things like the sexual assault they report actually happening.
Feminists in tech have been staging attempted "honey traps" to frame prominent male software developers for sexual assault, according to explosive claims on the blog of Eric S. Raymond, a pioneer of the open source movement. In allegations that will rock the world of software development, prominent targets included Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux kernel.
Raymond quoted excerpts from an online chat with a trusted source, who told him that the Ada Inititiative, a recently-discontinued feminist advocacy group in tech, was trying to "collect scalps" by concocting charges of attempted sexual assault against male software developers.
The source told Raymond that the "MO" of the feminists was to "get alone with the target, and then immediately report "attempted sexual assault." The source said he had stopped mentoring female developers over fears that they might fabricate such charges.
In before someone disbelieves the message because they dislike the messenger.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @02:07PM
Feminists are not fighting for social rights for women. They're decidedly anti-choice for women on anything they see as not fitting into their agenda. Want to work in porn? Turn in your feminist card and prepare to be attacked on every front they can manage. Pro-Life? Ditto. Want to be a stay-at-home mom? Same thing.
Basically unless you dye your hair blue and toe the ideological line, you are the enemy. They will in fact even regularly sacrifice one of their own. See Joss Wheedon.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @02:46PM
Modern feminism is to gender equality as Andrea Dworkin is to sexual freedom
(Score: 3, Informative) by lyserge on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:17PM
Feminism covers a spectrum of opinion, but you seem to be focusing on a very particular subset here. Most feminists I've encountered, in real life as well as in the media, decidedly do want equal social rights for women, and don't think that there's one true ideological way to lead your life. In particular, many - especially amongst the third-wave ones you're so keen to disparage - have sex-positive views and absolutely would not judge somebody for doing sex work.
tl;dr You're talking out of your arse
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:22PM
You've led a very sheltered life then to not know any active feminists.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Informative) by lyserge on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:44PM
I know plenty, thanks, and generally speaking they're nothing like your skewed vision of them.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:55PM
Here's an experiment. Pick a feminist issue they're on lately and disagree with them on it. See if you still have a friend afterwards. Since it's a personal favorite of mine, let me suggest the portrayal of women in video games. Do your research and argue it well though or you'll be doing yourself a disservice.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by lyserge on Thursday November 05 2015, @06:16PM
So are you suggesting I choose something where I genuinely disagree, or to disagree just for the sake of it? I enjoy debating things with my friends and do the former often, and I've not lost one from doing so yet. If you're suggesting the latter then yes, I can see how I might damage a friendship by picking a fight with someone for no reason other than to see what happens when I antagonise them.
If you've lost friendships from disagreements over feminist issues, it's probably because your positions are actively anti-feminist, as can be seen in this thread.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:16PM
Disagree for the sake of finding out what happens. Did I say a fight? You seem to already be assuming that your friends will not tolerate intellectual diversity, which makes them sound exactly like the feminists I'm speaking of.
Yes, my positions absolutely are anti-feminist. You cannot be an egalitarian and be any other way. Back forty or fifty years ago, sure. Today equality is their enemy.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by lyserge on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:50PM
You seem to have missed the part of my post where I say I often debate disagreements with my friends: they're perfectly tolerant of intellectual diversity. My point was that they might take a dimmer view of my arguing a contrary position just for the sake of provoking them (as opposed to, for example, playing devil's advocate to explore an issue better), aka picking a fight.
And I couldn't disagree more with the second part of your post. I simply don't see how its possible to be an egalitarian without also fitting some widely-accepted definition of feminist, regardless of disagreements you may have with individual feminists or strands of feminist thought.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @09:45PM
Simple, you can't be an anything-ist and be an egalitarian, except possibly a humanist. Preference for one group by its very definition means you are slighting all other competing groups. Second gen feminists I can get along with and largely agree with but I can not be one of them because their interest is specifically and exclusively women. My interests are equality and liberty. Not for one group, not for multiple groups, for everyone. Identity politics are hands down the most vile thing to ever hit this nation's shores short of slavery and what was done to the indians.
Again, I didn't say you should pick a fight. I said disagree with them on one of their causes of the day and see what their reaction is. If you're that afraid, tell them afterwards that you were just winding them up. Odds are if you actually do enough research into the other side of the issue to effectively argue it, you will hold those beliefs though. Very few modern feminist positions hold water when thoroughly analyzed.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2015, @05:47PM
The same could be said for most Nazis, typical members of the Germen NSDAP were anything but bad people.
(Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 05 2015, @06:11PM
Want to work in porn? Turn in your feminist card and prepare to be attacked on every front they can manage.
Here's an experiment: Google "feminist views on porn" and show me the "one true answer."
Or, perhaps you will note that there is a diversity of opinions and a healthy debate on that front.
(Score: 2, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:30PM
Here's a thought then, how about you start loudly and publicly decrying the radical anti-liberty, anti-choice, anti-men nutjobs coopting your label and take things back to second gen egalitarianism? If you're not willing to do that, who can help thinking it means you're okay with the blue-haired harpies and their views?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Thursday November 05 2015, @07:12PM
What happened to Joss?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 05 2015, @08:11PM
Feminists decided Black Widow wasn't a strong enough woman in the latest movie and harassed him clean off social media.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.