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Phoronix reports the systemd developers are having their first conference. Here is a direct link to the YouTube video channel.
Whether you love systemd or hate it, it looks like it's not going away. If you dislike it maybe one of these videos might change your mind.
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There will be big changes for you but you will be happy.
(Score: 2) by mendax on Tuesday November 10 2015, @06:50AM
Are they using metal detectors and bomb sniffing dogs at the conference site? One lucky disgruntled Linux aficionado can decapitate the entire Systemd conspiratorial Mafia!
And now for something serious!
As someone who really doesn't give a rat's ass about systemd so long as my Linux iMac and my Android pad boot up, I'm amazing at the animosity expressed toward systemd. It's reminiscent of the old Mac/PC religious wars of the 1980's. Frankly, if you really don't want to use systemd, don't! There are other Linux distributions and you can always use FreeBSD.
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @07:06AM
Don't give us ideas...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @12:53PM
I changed my mind. More ideas please!!!!!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @08:28AM
"Other Linux distributions" being basically down to Slackware and Gentoo, with Gentoo users complaining that systemd keeps sneaking in through the backdoor and Patrick (Slackware) only promising to "wait and see".
As for FreeBSD, as far as I know the software I use most doesn't run, or at least not very well on FreeBSD. It's called Steam, and tends to quickly turn into a huge investment.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @08:35AM
You might consider trying (and backing if happy) devuan. They did a pretty good job sofar, even if they look like condemned like any people trying to oppose lennax.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @12:45PM
I'm glad to hear that at least one of the "protest distros" has survived. A lot sprung up in a short time, and most of them seemed doomed to die once the people behind realized how big a task a distro is.
If the efforts have been focused on Devuan, it may be time to add that one to the "keep an eye on" list.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @09:35AM
I just downloaded FreeBSD. (Boot drive failed, might as well refine my set-up)
I plan to use full-disk encryption, then dual-boot Ubuntu off a second hard-drive. That way, proprietary software like steam can not clobber my work (or at least not exfiltrate it in clear-text).
(Score: 3, Informative) by Magic Oddball on Tuesday November 10 2015, @09:48AM
PCLinuxOS is still holding steady against systemd as well — I've been using it since last December, and have been very happy with it.
(Score: 2) by present_arms on Tuesday November 10 2015, @06:34PM
That makers 2 of us, except I've used it longer, I think Texstar would rather have his balls removed with a rusty razor blade than have systemd infect his distro
Alie
http://trinity.mypclinuxos.com/
(Score: 2) by novak on Tuesday November 10 2015, @06:48PM
Is PCLinuxOS a reasonable replacement for say, mint? I myself use crux primarily, but sometimes I have to put together a machine for someone less technically adept. Thus far I've been sticking with systemd-less debian, and it's ok. But I would prefer to use and support something a little more-future-proof and... I never thought I'd get to say this... better made than debian.
novak
(Score: 2) by present_arms on Tuesday November 10 2015, @07:33PM
In my humble opinion, yes it is, it also has Mate and Cinnamon of you like those desktops, plus it's a rolling release, install once use always, I myself have made some community ISO'S of trinity (see sig), KDE and Mate so people can use it without downloading 10 months worth of updates :) the community is small yet very friendly :)
Alie
http://trinity.mypclinuxos.com/
(Score: 2) by novak on Tuesday November 10 2015, @09:39PM
Great, I'll give it a try and see how I like it. I see it has LXDE too which is what I usually put on machines to be used by people who do not like/know tiling WMs. I personally like trinity quite a bit too, and it's pretty easy for someone to get the hang of so I might actually give that a shot as well.
Good to know that there are still a lot of people holding out against systemd. Even after losing some of the better known distros there are still quite a few options. I know people say linux isn't about choice but that's one of the biggest reasons I love it.
novak
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Alias on Wednesday November 11 2015, @03:33AM
"I know people say linux isn't about choice but that's one of the biggest reasons I love it."
Linux has always been about choice. Linus has said so many times. GNU / the GPL have always been about freedom. (Read the GNU manifesto.) The GPL has allowed programmers who care about software freedoms some assurance that their work and derivatives of it can be legally encumbered only to the exact degree allowed by the license.
(Score: 2) by novak on Wednesday November 11 2015, @05:25AM
You hear the opposite a lot.
http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ [islinuxaboutchoice.com]
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-January/msg00861.html [redhat.com]
I like my choice though so you won't get a lot of argument out of me.
novak
(Score: 1) by Alias on Wednesday November 11 2015, @05:55AM
The post about pulseaudio gives interesting insight into the mindset that may be pervasive in the systemd crowd. I haven't yet seen a software situation where user choice couldn't be maintained *and* supplied with good defaults that take care of the users who don't want or need the choice.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by tekk on Tuesday November 10 2015, @07:55PM
General consensus among Slackware users at this point is that if Slack adopts systemd there's a fork that takes most of the serious users with it, not a distro to worry about.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday November 10 2015, @09:23AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by melikamp on Tuesday November 10 2015, @07:48PM
Whose bad is it, FP? Who is the villain? systemd, Lennart, the cabal, RedHat, or the Debian technical committee? Face it, no one was twisting anyone's arm. The cabal managed to write something marginally better than the traditional init, and distros started to adapt it willingly. It is silly to expect that your distro will never change (unless you are on DOS or something), so when your "finely tuned" scripts stopped working (which was only a matter of time), you had 2 choices: update the scripts for year 2015 or downgrade your distro. You picked the downgrade, which probably makes total sense in your case, so what's all this bile for? Life ain't perfect, but you seem to be doing OK :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @08:22PM
Because the future only holds systemd options, with tons of core software people require depending on it as well. Some will be able to hold out for a few years I'm sure, but eventually something will come down the pipe that requires newer versions. Up until now Linux had only one real dependency, the kernel. Everything else had options. Systemd apologists keep saying it is modular, and anyone can write a replacement, but so far these claims seem to be total bunk. Half of the anger is about having a complicated and buggy system shoved on the entire community with questionable benefits, and the subjugation of functionality keeps increasing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 10 2015, @10:52PM
for year 2015
IT IS THE CURRENT YEAR
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Alias on Wednesday November 11 2015, @03:52AM
"Face it, no one was twisting anyone's arm."
I know I am going to sound like a conspiracy theorist for saying this, but... Arms were almost certainly twisted. The current status of systemd in the Linux world doesn't make sense unless people in charge of projects, who have been doing this for a long time and know better, have had silent strokes or something. Many different people. Strokes. In unison. Either that or arm twisting. When I first installed Centos 7, I was somewhat of a systemd apologist too.. I thought, "yeah, this is wierd and very non-Unix way, but this is Redhat and if they want to be corporate and stupid, it is their right to do so, since it is their distro and it seems to work OK, and they aliased old commands to their systemd equivalents so I don't even realize I am using systemd half the time when I am using it." And then I learned more about it and realized how much of a trap/torpedo it is. And then Redhat announces a partnership with MS not long after MS's rather obvious pro-Mono-on-Linux developer evangelism which reminded me of the developer evangelism details I read about in those documents that became part of public record in a european country where Microsoft was sued several years ago. And then I looked at some systemd code and was reasonably impressed until I looked at the interfaces, which seem almost intentionally impedance-mismatched with the rest of the Linux/Unix world, kind of like IE's Javascript event bubbling model. And then I looked at a bunch of systemd blog astroturf and realized that someone paid a lot of people to flog the stupid bullet points in Lennart's conference presentation, which are very disinformational. And then I read about Redhat hiring an ex-MS PR guy and thought, "aha, that explains why Redhat's spokespeople are suddenly insulting the intelligence of the entire free software community." This rabbit hole just keeps on giving. I bet 98% of the people that hate systemd don't even realize how bad it actually is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2015, @06:56AM
Been noticing Fedora news in outlets that rarely to never mentioned any Linux news as all (unless it was some spectacular security failure). The marketing push must be staggering on all fronts.
BTW, RH's biggest customer right now seems to be the M-I complex. Their current chairman was formerly the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff at Pentagon no less.
Frankly it seems that RH is pitching to replace Windows as the M-I's go-to OS, after screwups like a certain Windows running warship.
And systemd seem perfect for producing a *nix that is "familiar" to MSCEs.