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France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.
At least 15 people were killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are being held hostage. Explosions and gunfire are reported.
Three people were killed in an attack near the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.
Paris authorities have urged people to stay indoors.
Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455943961/violence-reported-in-paris
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html
Update #1 [BBC updates]:
Scores of people have been killed in multiple gun and bomb attacks in Paris
At least 100 people are reported to have died inside the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris
Others died in attacks near the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany, and at restaurants
France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders
Paris residents have been asked to stay indoors and military personnel are being deployed across the city
[...] Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.
According to the Paris prosecutor, of the four assailants who died during the sidge at the Bataclan, three committed suicide by detonating explosive vests. The prosecutor has warned that some of their accomplices may "still be on the loose".
[...] Here is what French president François Hollande told reporters outside the Bataclan concert hall just now: "To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow."
(Score: 2, Informative) by mrsam on Saturday November 14 2015, @12:53AM
I am not scared. Just sad, watching all the sheep volunteering themselves for the slaughterhouse.
Maybe you should volunteer and demonstrate how compassionate and big-hearted you are, and volunteer to house, and feed, two or three of these poor refugees in your home, to show the rest of the world that these are not uncivilised, murderous barbarians, but just innocent, pure as wind-driven snow victims of persecution in their homeland, just wanting a better life for themselves.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by pe1rxq on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:00AM
I am sure not all of them are pure and innocent. But neither is the current population....
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:01AM
> I am not scared.
Fear has more than one dimension. You are demonstrating one of the most pernicious kinds of fear - the generalized application of negative stereotypes to people you've never met based on the simple fact that they are different from you.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by gman003 on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:05AM
I'm struggling to understand what your actual argument is here.
It's pretty clear that the majority of the refugees are, in fact, refugees. Perhaps not all are fleeing war, but even those fleeing poverty are simply looking for a better life. If even one percent were terrorist sympathizers, there would have been far more attacks by now. Individual refugees are about as dangerous as, say, the homeless beggars on the street. In any case, that has little bearing on terrorism. You can argue about the economics of it, certainly, but it has nothing to do with these attacks.
Do you think only Arab Muslims are terrorists, perhaps? I can easily refute that. Remember Breivik, the Norway attacks four years back? Pure Aryan heritage, and a vicious, murderous monster. Or perhaps I should remind you of the IRA - or does being white make them "freedom fighters" instead of "terrorists" in your eyes?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:18AM
If even one percent were terrorist sympathizers, there would have been far more attacks by now.
Well considering it sounds like there were multiple simultaneous attacks, maybe they were waiting?
9/11 on the scale it happened wouldn't have been possible if one cell had hijacked a single airliner before the main event.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by isostatic on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:48AM
There's been about a million refugees into Europe this year.
Assuming that these 6 attacks were perpetrated by say a total of 20 people who all entered Europe as refugees, that would leave 999,980 refugees who weren't involved
If you want a coordinated attack why not do it en mass. Use 2000 terrorists willing to kill themselves and start 500 attacks across the west, from shootings at shopping malls to driving now a car into a crowd on the pavement.
The answer of course is there aren't 2000 people willing to do it. There aren't 200. The number of people willing to deliberately go out and mirder innocent men women and children is tiny compared with those that do it accidentally in cars. We don't ban cars, we certainly don't ban drivers.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Saturday November 14 2015, @02:07AM
If you want a coordinated attack why not do it en mass.
You are correct. Every general knows that you have to always attack, with all your forces, no matter what the circumstances are, until you have no soldiers left to fight tomorrow. </sarc>
In this case, imagine that ISIS (or whoever stands behind - and there is someone, as the terror acts were organized) wants to terrorize the population. (Shocking, I know.) This is not achieved by one-time killing of many; one battle will be forgotten soon. But it can be achieved by killing of one citizen per day, as the losses will be fresh in people's memory.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Saturday November 14 2015, @02:34AM
So major attacks on the west
2001
2003
2005
2015
Wake me up when you have evidence that there will be a continual campaign like the us funded bombing attacks on British children from the 70s til 90s.
(Score: 1) by tftp on Saturday November 14 2015, @02:51AM
Ok. Note, however, that ISIS only now got able to emplace a large number of their soldiers within the EU, by masquerading them as refugees. The attack in January was done by Chérif and Saïd Kouachi, French citizens born in Paris, not by infiltrators from Libya or Syria or wherever. It's yet unknown who exactly performed the attack on 11/13/2015, and whether the new arrivals have anything to do with it.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @12:27PM
Disagree. There have been sporadic terror attacks over the past decade and more. More, there have been terror cells exposed throughout Europe in recent years. The terrorists have used European venues and resources to plan attacks around the world. Islamic terror groups are intertwined, of course. Former "Al Queda" groups have largely sworn allegiance to "ISIS" now. It isn't possible for you, me, or anyone to segregate one group's assets from another group's. The terrorists have infiltrated over a period of a couple decades, and they are taking action NOW, because France is involved in air raids in Iraq and Syria. Sleeper groups have been awakened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2iBZkODgxA [youtube.com]
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Monday November 16 2015, @03:07AM
You imply some kind of command and control structure. I don't see that at all, and that's what makes fighting it so hard
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 16 2015, @03:31AM
Two things.
1. Somewhat like "sleeper cells" of the old Soviet days, a command structure isn't essential. Train highly motivated people, send them out into the world, and wait to see what they accomplish. You may additionally arrange for some signal to be sent openly, published in the personal ads, or on Facebook, or whatever.
2. Among the articles I've glanced at since I woke up this evening, was this: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/11/15/72-hours-before-paris-attacks-isis-linked-social-media-account-reveals-god-1219447939/?intcmp=trending [foxnews.com]
Regarding 2. - we have no idea how "hands on" the command structure was. Did the operatives merely communicate to the controllers that they had something planned, or did command plot the entire thing in detail? We may or may not learn more about that in days to come, but it is pretty certain that 8 or more random people didn't arrange this attack on the spur of the moment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @02:56AM
like the us funded bombing attacks on British children from the 70s til 90s.
Lol put down the pipe idjit.
(Score: 3, Informative) by khallow on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:23AM
like the us funded bombing attacks on British children from the 70s til 90s.
Lol put down the pipe idjit.
No, this is a real thing [washingtonpost.com].
I am talking about the sympathy for the Irish Republican Army that persisted for decades in some Irish American communities and is only now fading away. Like British Muslim support for Muslim extremist terrorism, Irish American support for Irish terrorism came in many forms. There were Irish Americans who waved the Irish flag once a year on St. Patrick's Day and admired the IRA's cause but felt queasy about the methods. There were Irish Americans who collected money for Catholic charities in Northern Ireland without condoning the IRA at all. There were also Irish Americans who, while claiming to be "aiding the families of political prisoners," were in fact helping to arm IRA terrorists. Throughout the 1970s, until Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher asked President Ronald Reagan to stop them, they were the IRA's primary source of funding. And even after that they were widely tolerated.
I concede there is one major difference: The Irish terrorists were setting off their bombs across the ocean and not in New York or Boston, which somehow made the whole thing seem less real. But in Britain the explosions were real enough. In 1982 -- the year an IRA bomb killed eight people in Hyde Park -- four IRA men were arrested in New York after trying to buy surface-to-air missiles from an FBI agent. In 1984 -- the year the IRA tried to kill the whole British cabinet in Brighton -- an IRA plot to smuggle seven tons of explosives was foiled, an action that led to the arrests of several Americans. As recently as 1999, long after the IRA had declared its cease-fire, members of an IRA group connected to an American organization, the Irish Northern Aid Committee (Noraid), were arrested for gun-running in Florida.
The range of Americans who were unbothered by this sort of thing was surprisingly wide. Some were members of Congress, such as Republican Rep. Peter King of Long Island, who stayed with IRA supporters on visits to Northern Ireland and drank at a Belfast club called the Felons, whose members were all IRA ex-cons. Some were born in Ireland, such as Michael Flannery, Noraid's founder, who once said that "the more British soldiers sent home from Ulster in coffins, the better," and whose flattering obituary in 1995 described him as a man who "treated everyone he met with gentle respect." Some were Americans of Irish descent, such as Tom McBride, a businessman who is still the chairman of the Hartford chapter of Noraid, and who still refuses to condemn IRA terrorism. "I think they are protecting a segment of the population that needs to be protected," he told me over the phone.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:50AM
I'm not clear on what you mean. Are you saying that ISIS (or whoever these terrorists are) are terrible because they've mounted four major attacks on the West since 20001 while the US has never funded any kind of terrible terror like that, or are you saying that ISIS is not that bad when you consider Irish Americans funded the IRA's bombing attacks on Britons for decades? Because they did.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:54PM
Don't forget that the US refused to extradite IRA terrorists to the UK.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Sunday November 15 2015, @02:12AM
Well when U.S. funded terrorists blew up my tiny home town in 1993, when the blew up the neighbouring city in 1996, it certainly was terrible. The IRA commited 131 terrorist incidents in in mainland britian in the first half of the 90s -- thats about 2 per month - that's a sustained attack. Not half a dozen in a decade.
As at least one of the 7 attackers on Friday were French, I'm not sure what you're going to do, ban the French from visiting Paris?
Now it's entirely possible that the attacks (which didn't need the refugee crisis to occur) were timed to stir up racial hatred, and attempt to persuade the world there's a "Muslim vs everyone else" war on, when there isn't, any more than there was an Ireland vs Britain war in the 80s and 90s.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:19PM
Do you lock your doors at night? Very few people are criminals. Why stop them all from entering when so many are innocent?
The same wisdom should be applied to your country. Some bad people get in and hundreds die. It does not matter if 99.99% of the people you let in are innocent, you are facilitating mass murder by letting that last .01% in.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:05PM
Do you lock your doors at night?
Locking my door is a personal decision that affects myself and no one else.
It does not matter if 99.99% of the people you let in are innocent, you are facilitating mass murder by letting that last .01% in.
So be it. What you speak of now is national policy, which has a definite effect on countless people. What you seem to be advocating is collective punishment, which any truly free society should reject.
It is amazing how easy it to bring people to the government's side. The suckers will just beg for more safety and gladly surrender their liberties whenever there is some threat or an attack of some sort. That shows how much freedom means to them.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by mrsam on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:26AM
You will find anti-social, violent predators in every corner of society. But you will be hard-pressed to find any other unified front whose official scriptures prescribe death for apostasy, and heaven for martyrs who kill "infidels", or who even come close to the record of blood shed by violent Islamic terrorists.
But my point, is to point out the utter, abject denial of reality, forced upon by political correctness, that results in full-blown, ignorant, head-in-a-pile-of-sand refusal to call a spade, a spade. Intentional, willful refusal to recognize the murderous, barbarian nature of all those prophets of the religion of peace.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by gman003 on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:49AM
Deuteronomy 13:6-11 [biblegateway.com], canon in Judaism and many forms of Christianity, assuming this is classed as "moral law" and not "ceremonial law".
I suppose you were correct in that I was hard-pressed to find this evidence, because I am not intimately familiar with any of the major religious checks. But it still wasn't too hard to find.
Oh, and "unified front"? Radical Muslims spend most of their time killing each other for not being the right flavor of Muslim. ISIS counts among their enemies all members of Shia Islam, whom they execute when found.
(Score: 2) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:55AM
My favorite translation can differ in interesting ways, even from NIV (and certainly from KJV), but not in this case.
Deuteronomy 13:6–11 (MSG):
And when your brother or son or daughter, or even your dear wife or lifelong friend, comes to you in secret and whispers, “Let’s go and worship some other gods” (gods that you know nothing about, neither you nor your ancestors, the gods of the peoples around you near and far, from one end of the Earth to the other), don’t go along with him; shut your ears. Don’t feel sorry for him and don’t make excuses for him. Kill him. That’s right, kill him. You throw the first stone. Take action at once and swiftly with everybody in the community getting in on it at the end. Stone him with stones so that he dies. He tried to turn you traitor against God, your God, the one who got you out of Egypt and the world of slavery.
Every man, woman, and child in Israel will hear what’s been done and be in awe. No one will dare to do an evil thing like this again.
I included the part about throwing the first stone because I find it highly contradictory to Jesus' Message (and the Buddah's Message).
All of the Abrahamaic religions have this built in. That includes Baptists, Catholics, Southern Christian Identity, Reformed, Mormonism, etc. Wasn't it Saint Augustine [wikipedia.org] who advised against literal interpretations?
Exodus 20:1–6 (MSG):
God spoke all these words:
I am God, your God,
who brought you out of the land of Egypt,
out of a life of slavery.
No other gods, only me.
No carved gods of any size, shape, or form of anything whatever, whether of things that fly or walk or swim. Don’t bow down to them and don’t serve them because I am God, your God, and I’m a most jealous God, punishing the children for any sins their parents pass on to them to the third, and yes, even to the fourth generation of those who hate me. But I’m unswervingly loyal to the thousands who love me and keep my commandments.
Seems like a terrible and unjust god to me (certainly not a rex tremende majestatis, unless the “awful” part of most translations is the salient part), one who endorses genital mutilation, but hey.
Observe how, through, how this comes out after 2,500 years of history. Most of the denominations of Christianity I mentioned overlook this part, just the same as they overlook the prohibition against bacon(++).
But hey, maybe it was just a proscription against worshiping those Goa'uld bastards [wikia.com]. If that's the case, everybody should chillax, especially the jihadists, because SGC has everything under control!
(Score: 4, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:01AM
As long as the Muslim population remains around 1% of any given country they will be regarded as a peace-loving minority and not as a threat to anyone. In fact, they may be featured in articles and films, stereotyped for their colorful uniqueness:
United States — Muslim 1.0%
Australia — Muslim 1.5%
Canada — Muslim 1.9%
China — Muslim 1%-2%
Italy — Muslim 1.5%
Norway — Muslim 1.8%
At 2% and 3% they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs:
Denmark — Muslim 2%
Germany — Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%
Spain — Muslim 4%
Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
From 5% on they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population.
They will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature it on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply. (United States ).
France — Muslim 8%
Philippines — Muslim 5%
Sweden — Muslim 5%
Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad &Tobago — Muslim 5.8%
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islam is not to convert the world but to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
When Muslims reach 10% of the population, they will increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions ( Paris –car-burnings) . Any non-Muslim action that offends Islam will result in uprisings and threats ( Amsterdam – Mohammed cartoons).
Guyana — Muslim 10%
India — Muslim 13.4%
Israel — Muslim 16%
Kenya — Muslim 10%
Russia — Muslim 10-15%
After reaching 20% expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings and church and synagogue burning:
Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%
At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Chad — Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%
From 60% you may expect unfettered persecution of non-believers and other religions, sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels:
Albania — Muslim 70%
Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%
Qatar — Muslim 77.5%
Sudan — Muslim 70%
After 80% expect State run ethnic cleansing and genocide:
Bangladesh — Muslim 83%
Egypt — Muslim 90%
Gaza — Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%
Iran — Muslim 98%
Iraq — Muslim 97%
Jordan — Muslim 92%
Morocco — Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan — Muslim 97%
Palestine — Muslim 99%
Syria — Muslim 90%
Tajikistan — Muslim 90%
Turkey — Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%
100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace — there’s supposed to be peace because everybody is a Muslim:
Afghanistan — Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%
Somalia — Muslim 100%
Yemen — Muslim 99.9%
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:41AM
The internet chain letter you cut-n-pasted that from is so well known as bullshit that snopes took it apart:
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=34302 [snopes.com]
I'll summarize the very first criticism from snopes:
> At 40% you will find widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks and ongoing militia warfare:
> Bosnia — Muslim 40%
Blaming the genocide of bosnian muslims [wikipedia.org] on themselves for being muslim is the height of intellectual dishonesty. Everything else claimed or implied in your unthinking regurgitation of evil is on the same level of quality.
Fuck you runaway you fucking hitler wannabe. I had just started think that maybe you were a decent person, too bad you had to remind us all that you really do have a heart of darkness.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:53AM
I do have a heart. Those of you without hearts just repeat the mindless drivel fed to you by the MSM.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:47PM
> I do have a heart. Those of you without hearts just repeat the mindless drivel fed to you by the MSM.
Yes, dear runaway, you go ahead and retreat into non sequitur. So comforting. Nice. Warm. Fuzzy.
Never mind that you just posted a cut-n-paste internet chain letter lifted from a book published by one of the largest 'christian' media groups in the country.
Don't think too deeply about any of that - your mindless drivel is of much higher quality. You have nothing to be ashamed of. No illogic at all. Just purity and wisdom. Something that only your tribe has because your tribe is the best tribe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:35AM
You are intellectually dishonest. Besides that one thing most of the other comments while deriding the post, due nothing to refute the post.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:27PM
Muslims do commit genocide on other Muslims. Shiite and Sunni have been doing that for a very long time.
Fuck you for your apologist stance. You are the same sort of person that did claim in 1940 that not all germans are bad so we should not go to war against them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @06:01AM
Look! Runaway can do math! I am so impressed. Of course, the problem is that correlation is not causation. Go hide in your Bunker, Runaway.