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posted by n1 on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:00AM   Printer-friendly

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.

At least 15 people were killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are being held hostage. Explosions and gunfire are reported.

Three people were killed in an attack near the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.

Paris authorities have urged people to stay indoors.

Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455943961/violence-reported-in-paris
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

Update #1 [BBC updates]:

Scores of people have been killed in multiple gun and bomb attacks in Paris

At least 100 people are reported to have died inside the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris

Others died in attacks near the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany, and at restaurants

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders

Paris residents have been asked to stay indoors and military personnel are being deployed across the city

[...] Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.

Update #2:

According to the Paris prosecutor, of the four assailants who died during the sidge at the Bataclan, three committed suicide by detonating explosive vests. The prosecutor has warned that some of their accomplices may "still be on the loose".

[...] Here is what French president François Hollande told reporters outside the Bataclan concert hall just now: "To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow."


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:29AM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:29AM (#263019) Journal

    After 9/11 I attended a regular meeting of my Masonic lodge. A Lebanese brother, a close friend, and a Muslim, got up and delicately said that "jihad" is the struggle to rid yourself of spiritual impurities, not a license to kill others. I am no expert on the Quran or an Islamic studies expert, but it was a perspective I had not heard before that was very meaningful to the rest of us in that lodge meeting, so I put it out here now in light of the events.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:44AM

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:44AM (#263028)

    Unfortunately, there's very different strains of the Islamic religion, just as there's very different strains of Christianity.

    Your Lebanese friend is obviously from one of the more moderate strains. Probably something like the Lutherans in Christianity.

    But there's some really wacko strains of Christianity out there: the snake-handlers, the Seventh-Day Adventists, the Pentecostals, etc. In Christianity, these groups aren't really very big, but over on the Islamic side, the "extremists" seem to be a pretty large fraction of the whole, and they're far, far more violent than even the nuttiest Christians. They're like the Christians were before the Enlightenment: burning people at the stake for "heresy" etc. Well, it took half a millenium for the Christians to shed most of that nonsense and become somewhat civilized. The Muslims aren't going to do it in a decade.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:24AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:24AM (#263081)

      > the Seventh-Day Adventists,

      They aren't particularly wacko, more on the amish side of things - they brought us breakfast cereal after all. Yes Kellog was a 7th day adventist.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:12AM (#263158)

        It was also invented to make you stop masturbating.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corn_flakes [wikipedia.org]

        Dr. Kellogg introduced Kellogg Corn Flakes in hopes that it would reduce masturbation.[5] In fact, Kellogg devoted much of his energy to discouraging sexual activity of any kind, and was an especially ardent critic of masturbation, which he believed could cause "cancer of the womb, urinary diseases, nocturnal emissions, impotence, epilepsy, insanity, and mental and physical debility" as well as "dimness of vision" and moral corruption.[6]

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:22PM (#263225)

          Was it common for men to masturbate in their breakfast, in dr. Kellogg's time??

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 14 2015, @12:47PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 14 2015, @12:47PM (#263208) Journal

      the "extremists" seem to be a pretty large fraction of the whole

      No, they're not. They're not even a blip. There are 1.57 billion, with a "b," muslims in the world. ISIS are a rounding error. That's like saying my crazy Christian cousin Greg is a "pretty large fraction of the whole" of Christians. He's not.

      I really wish this religious bigotry, because that's what this is, would cease because it is not only hateful, but also tedious, and worst of all, incorrect. It's flat wrong from any perspective.

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      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday November 16 2015, @01:18AM

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday November 16 2015, @01:18AM (#263809)

        No, they're not. They're not even a blip.

        Bullshit. If they're "not even a blip", then please explain how it is they control many nations. Saudi Arabia and Iran for starters, Egypt (where they elected the Muslim Brotherhood in a *popular election* but the military overthrew this democratically-elected government), Afghanistan which used to be under the control of the Taliban (and they're still trying to retake it), and Iraq where much of it is under the control of ISIS. Don't forget all the other Islamist factions in various places, such as the ones trying to take over Syria (which includes ISIS but also several other extremist factions), and I'm sure I'm missing a bunch.

        But somehow it's "religious bigotry" to point out that Islamic extremists enjoy wide, popular support throughout the Middle East.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:32AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:32AM (#263082)

    It's like any religious interpretation - if you have evil in your heart you'll pick the passages that can be used to support your evil and ignore the ones that contradict it. If you have good in your heart you'll pick the passages that support your good. That includes people who demonize a religion too. You can tell runaway has evil in his heart because he's so quick to find it in others. Kind of like all those anti-gay conservatives who are actually in the closet - projecting their own fear and self-loathing on to others. He sees jihad as permission to make his bigotry and intolerance acceptable because "they did it first."

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:41AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @09:41AM (#263144) Journal

      Interesting point of view. Gays project fear and self-loathing . . .

      YOUR words, Pal, not mine.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:34PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:34PM (#263281)

        Interesting point of view. Gays project fear and self-loathing . . .

        YOUR words, Pal, not mine.

        What a perfect example! You just did exactly what I accused you of - picking the part to support your view and ignoring the part that contradicts so that you can feel justified about the evil in your heart.

        Here's the full statement:

        Kind of like all those anti-gay conservatives who are actually in the closet - projecting their own fear and self-loathing on to others

        So no, those were your words, buddy. Expressing the shit in your heart and literally trying to blame it on me for doing it first.

        Could you be any less self-aware?

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:44PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @03:44PM (#263284) Journal

          You're not being very rational here. Anti-gay conservatives who are actually in the closet are - by definition - gay. So, you are quite clearly stating that gays project fear and self loathing. Your statements have absolutely nothing to do with any evil that may or may not be in my heart.

          Again, those are YOUR words, not mine.

          Intersting, indeed.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:15PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:15PM (#263331)

            Wow, your lack of self-awareness is stunning in the size of its depth.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:23PM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:23PM (#263339) Journal

              Typical SJW kind of comeback. If I'm to stupid to understand, why do you bother to try arguing with me? You keep coming back, and coming back, but you don't say anything. Keep this up, and I'm going to file for divorce, and get an injunction on your ass for stalking.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:18PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:18PM (#263395)

                > If I'm to stupid to understand, why do you bother to try arguing with me?

                Because your purpose in life is to be a foil. A cautionary tale for people who think racists aren't idiots.

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:21PM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:21PM (#263400) Journal

                  Well, one of us appears to be to stupid to understand that Islam is not a race. Think about it.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @08:10PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @08:10PM (#263430)

                    > Well, one of us appears to be to stupid to understand that Islam is not a race. Think about it.

                    Foiled again.

                    Islam is not a race but you are still a racist. [redflag.org.au]
                    Debunking the “Islam is Not a Race!” Argument [wordpress.com]

                    Meanwhile even the OED says you are wrong: [oxforddictionaries.com]

                    race:
                    1.1 A group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group:
                        example: "They sought to weld the country's diverse ethnicities into a Brazilian race defined in historical and cultural terms."

                    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 14 2015, @08:21PM

                      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday November 14 2015, @08:21PM (#263435) Journal

                      I've run out of patience, and you've ceased to be amusing, so I'm not wasting time on your links. Islam is not a race. No amount of blathering will change that. Islam is a religious political structure, commonly followed by Arabs, Black Africans, and a multitude of Asians and Pacific islanders, as well as smaller populations in the western world. In point of fact, Islam hardly recognizes race, as near as I can tell. Islam sees men as men, and women as women, one of them being the property of the other. Islam is a patriarchal society that is equally applicable to all races.

                      You lose this one, Pal.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:50PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @10:50PM (#263487)

                        > I've run out of patience, and you've ceased to be amusing, so I'm not wasting time on your links

                        lol. Are you sure you didn't read any of those links because you practically quoted what one said. Are you not the greatest parody of racism on this site?

                        > You lose this one, Pal.

                        Yeah, sure I did. The Oxford English Dictionary just kicked your ass.

  • (Score: 1) by rufty on Saturday November 14 2015, @11:46PM

    by rufty (381) on Saturday November 14 2015, @11:46PM (#263502)

    Just to say I've heard about the same sentiment, also from a Lebanese guy, back when I was at Uni.