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posted by n1 on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:00AM   Printer-friendly

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.

At least 15 people were killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are being held hostage. Explosions and gunfire are reported.

Three people were killed in an attack near the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.

Paris authorities have urged people to stay indoors.

Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455943961/violence-reported-in-paris
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

Update #1 [BBC updates]:

Scores of people have been killed in multiple gun and bomb attacks in Paris

At least 100 people are reported to have died inside the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris

Others died in attacks near the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany, and at restaurants

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders

Paris residents have been asked to stay indoors and military personnel are being deployed across the city

[...] Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.

Update #2:

According to the Paris prosecutor, of the four assailants who died during the sidge at the Bataclan, three committed suicide by detonating explosive vests. The prosecutor has warned that some of their accomplices may "still be on the loose".

[...] Here is what French president François Hollande told reporters outside the Bataclan concert hall just now: "To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow."


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Whoever on Saturday November 14 2015, @04:49AM

    by Whoever (4524) on Saturday November 14 2015, @04:49AM (#263063) Journal

    Statistically, it seems to me they have a pretty solid claim to "religion of peace" if their bad apples are less than a rounding error.

    The problem is the inaction of the majority against the extremists. Some years ago, there was a mullah preaching hate, violence, murder in the largest mosque in London. This wasn't in a back-water mosque in a backwater city. This was the largest mosque in a major cosmopolitan city.

    He was allowed to preach his violent message for 5 years before the police stepped in.

    You can't claim to be a religion of peace while allowing the preaching of violence in your places of worship.

    So, no. It's not a religion of peace, despite the many peaceful followers.

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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday November 14 2015, @12:35PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday November 14 2015, @12:35PM (#263201) Journal

    And as far as I know, Westboro Baptist church is still preaching violence in the United States without anyone having stepped in to stop it. Does that mean that Christians have no claim to "religion of peace?"

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    Washington DC delenda est.
    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:53PM

      by Whoever (4524) on Saturday November 14 2015, @05:53PM (#263357) Journal

      And as far as I know, Westboro Baptist church is still preaching violence in the United States without anyone having stepped in to stop it.

      Remind me again when someone from the Westboro Baptist church preaches in a major church in a major city. Also, while they may advocate hate, I think that they are very careful not to advocate violence.

      Summary: it's not comparable.

      Also, what you are attempting is moral equivalence. It has no impact on my original claim.

  • (Score: 2) by Murdoc on Tuesday November 17 2015, @12:40AM

    by Murdoc (2518) on Tuesday November 17 2015, @12:40AM (#264153)
    Just because you're not hearing it, doesn't mean it's not happening. Take a look at this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/qasim-rashid/why-wont-major-media-report_b_6162592.html [huffingtonpost.com] Apparently there are plenty of Muslims speaking out like crazy against extremism, it's just that our media doesn't like to report it. Why is that? Could it be that they want to control the narrative to stir up fear? Sound implausible? Try searching the web sometime for "Muslims against extremism" or "Muslims against terrorism".
    • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Tuesday November 17 2015, @02:44AM

      by Whoever (4524) on Tuesday November 17 2015, @02:44AM (#264184) Journal

      As I acknowledged, there are many peaceful Muslims. However, they are also misrepresenting their own holy book, which has clear messages on how non-believers should be treated. Yes, the earliest texts are peaceful, but later texts are not kind to non-followers of Islam.

      Also, as I pointed out earlier, Islam is mostly misogynistic. It's attitudes like that which make extremism easier to promote. Just google "Trojan Horse schools" for more examples of support for extreme versions of Islam amongst large numbers of muslims.