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posted by n1 on Saturday November 14 2015, @01:00AM   Printer-friendly

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders after at least 40 people were killed in multiple shootings in Paris.

At least 15 people were killed near the Bataclan arts centre, where up to 60 people are being held hostage. Explosions and gunfire are reported.

Three people were killed in an attack near the Stade de France, with some reports suggesting a suicide blast.

Paris authorities have urged people to stay indoors.

Military personnel are being deployed across Paris.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/13/455943961/violence-reported-in-paris
http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

Update #1 [BBC updates]:

Scores of people have been killed in multiple gun and bomb attacks in Paris

At least 100 people are reported to have died inside the Bataclan concert hall in central Paris

Others died in attacks near the Stade de France, where France were playing Germany, and at restaurants

France has declared a national state of emergency and has closed its borders

Paris residents have been asked to stay indoors and military personnel are being deployed across the city

[...] Reuters. quoting an un-named official at Paris City Hall, says the current death toll in Paris is around 140.

Update #2:

According to the Paris prosecutor, of the four assailants who died during the sidge at the Bataclan, three committed suicide by detonating explosive vests. The prosecutor has warned that some of their accomplices may "still be on the loose".

[...] Here is what French president François Hollande told reporters outside the Bataclan concert hall just now: "To all those who have seen these awful things, I want to say we are going to lead a war which will be pitiless. Because when terrorists are capable of committing such atrocities they must be certain that they are facing a determined France, a united France, a France that is together and does not let itself be moved, even if today we express infinite sorrow."


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @04:57PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @04:57PM (#263312)

    > 'Anything that comes later supersedes anything that comes before'

    Except that's not actually how "abrogation" works - there is a lot more to it than simple chronological order. It is waaaay more complicated than that and is the subject of tons and tons of debate within the religion. For example, some groups think 400+ verses have been abrogated while others think less than 20, some even say zero. [wikipedia.org]

    Anyone unfamiliar with rhetoric like hairyfeet's should realize that his knowledge is the result of the islamafoe echo-chamber - a section of the internet populated by non-experts who have so little literacy in the cultures they criticize that they don't even know what they don't know. It is invective based on ignorance and cherry-picking and then declaring themselves the final word on things that tens of thousands of people who have dedicated their lives to studying have argued over for centuries. There is so much disagreement within islam that anyone trying to declare what is "true islam" is only revealing their own nature, not anything meaningful about actual muslims.

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Saturday November 14 2015, @06:26PM

    by tangomargarine (667) on Saturday November 14 2015, @06:26PM (#263372)

    If there is no consensus at all by experts, how can you say he's definitely wrong?

    There are at least a few groups that probably have that stance, and as is mentioned repeatedly all across this comment section, a small fraction of Islam is what we're talking about here.

    --
    "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:43PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2015, @07:43PM (#263416)

      > If there is no consensus at all by experts, how can you say he's definitely wrong?

      He is wrong in saying that it is a universal truth about islam.

      > a small fraction of Islam is what we're talking about here.

      No, HE is talking about all muslims. The reasoning is "if you aren't a crazy extremist you are doing islam wrong."