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posted by n1 on Wednesday November 18 2015, @04:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the with-them-or-against-us dept.

The Washington Post reports:

Hollande is expected to put forward a bill this week to extend a state of emergency for three months, enhancing police power to restrict freedom of movement and gatherings at public places.

At Versailles, he also proposed constitutional changes that would allow authorities to withdraw French citizenship from people with dual nationality, even if they were born in France, and to prevent French terrorism suspects from returning to France.

(Emphasis added.)

I feel this would be unproductive; among the problems Europe has long faced is that the children and even grandchildren of immigrants feel unwelcome in the nations of their birth: I understand there are some European countries in which birth does not convey citizenship. President Hollande's proposal would dramatically exacerbate the problem and so give rise to further terrorism.


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Wednesday November 18 2015, @05:46AM

    by frojack (1554) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @05:46AM (#264721) Journal

    I understand there are some European countries in which birth does not convey citizenship.

    The only developed countries I am aware of where birth alone conveys citizenship in the United States and Canada.
    Not any country in Europe does this. There are some second and third world countries that still do this.

    https://www.numbersusa.com/content/learn/issues/birthright-citizenship/nations-granting-birthright-citizenship.html [numbersusa.com]

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2015, @05:55AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2015, @05:55AM (#264725)

    People have tried to claim it in Australia. Particularily muslims. I gave birth here! This child is Australian! Bullshit. So many attempts have now been made to get the bleeding hearts onboard to allow them in. No. They prove time and again that being Australian is not what they want. They want our land, our resources, our lives.

    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday November 18 2015, @08:33AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @08:33AM (#264758) Journal

      People have tried to claim it in Australia. Particularily muslims. I gave birth here! This child is Australian! Bullshit.

      Yeah, I know lots of others have tried the same thing! They are still the bloody criminal class of the bloody British Empire! Bloody Poms, and their Irish and Scotish, and Scotch-Irish prisoners. Going on Walk-about, about now, you hypocrites.

  • (Score: 2) by bootsy on Wednesday November 18 2015, @09:37AM

    by bootsy (3440) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @09:37AM (#264772)

    Indeed in the UK it requires more than just Birth to be considered a citizen and gain a passport ( I am aware the two concepts are not identical ).

    The rules change every now and then, just as they do in the USA, but being born in the country is not enough. You need at least one parent to also hold citizenship so it is more a hereditary thing.

    You can of course apply for it after having worked in the country on a visa for a while.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Wednesday November 18 2015, @08:06PM

      by frojack (1554) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @08:06PM (#265046) Journal

      It turns out that is also the case in Canada. One parent must be a citizen and the baby must be born in Canada.
      So that leaves only the US in the developed world where Birth in-country is sufficient.

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  • (Score: 1) by PocketSizeSUn on Wednesday November 18 2015, @05:32PM

    by PocketSizeSUn (5340) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @05:32PM (#264958)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli [wikipedia.org]

    Many of the countries in the Americas are Unrestricted jus soli.
    Most of the EU countries are Restricted jus soli.

    Also several EU countries offer citizenship by ancestry.
    http://livingingreece.gr/2008/03/18/how-to-acquire-eu-citizenship-through-ancestry-or-naturalization/ [livingingreece.gr]