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posted by n1 on Wednesday November 18 2015, @04:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the with-them-or-against-us dept.

The Washington Post reports:

Hollande is expected to put forward a bill this week to extend a state of emergency for three months, enhancing police power to restrict freedom of movement and gatherings at public places.

At Versailles, he also proposed constitutional changes that would allow authorities to withdraw French citizenship from people with dual nationality, even if they were born in France, and to prevent French terrorism suspects from returning to France.

(Emphasis added.)

I feel this would be unproductive; among the problems Europe has long faced is that the children and even grandchildren of immigrants feel unwelcome in the nations of their birth: I understand there are some European countries in which birth does not convey citizenship. President Hollande's proposal would dramatically exacerbate the problem and so give rise to further terrorism.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday November 18 2015, @07:51AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 18 2015, @07:51AM (#264747) Journal

    Why should that be limited to only those with dual citizenship?

    "Effective"* politician strategy: "We have to do something. This is something, so let's do it."

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    * if one isn't in public's mind enough time, then one is dead as a politician

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2015, @08:40AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2015, @08:40AM (#264761)

    Actually, this is called "The Politician's Fallacy"! So you do win the internet for the day! And, Jonathon Pollard. Traitor.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 18 2015, @09:32AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 18 2015, @09:32AM (#264771) Journal

      You mean Politician's syllogism [wikipedia.org], perchance?

      Unfortunately, it's no longer a subject of satire today; as the majority of populace won't recognize a fallacy (logic has been banished in school long ago - replaced by teaching to the test), it therefore became a valid strategy for the astute politician of the present.

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      • (Score: 4, Funny) by aristarchus on Wednesday November 18 2015, @09:53AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @09:53AM (#264779) Journal

        Perchance. Someday, the liberal arts will return to education, after the Republican arts have been tried and found that Joseph did not build the pyramids to store grain. Stupid is self correcting, or at least self-Darwin-Awarding. We need to lengthen the spawn cycle.

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by jimshatt on Wednesday November 18 2015, @01:01PM

          by jimshatt (978) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @01:01PM (#264822) Journal
          *Too* stupid is self-correcting. Stupid enough to be exploited by the less stupid, unfortunately, is not. But I salute your optimism.
          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 18 2015, @01:33PM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 18 2015, @01:33PM (#264832) Journal

            Stupid enough to be exploited by the less stupid, unfortunately, is not

            Oh, but it is. Granted, it make take some generations but, as Rome wasn't built in a day, it wasn't destroyed in a week either.
            I spite of "the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh-water system, and public health", once they stepped on the stupidity cycle, the Roman Empire was bound to extinction.

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            • (Score: 2) by jimshatt on Wednesday November 18 2015, @10:40PM

              by jimshatt (978) on Wednesday November 18 2015, @10:40PM (#265123) Journal
              The fitness function may include stupidity as a parameter, but it's not evident that the relation is linear. That is, lesser values of s don't necessarily lead to better fitness. Evolution doesn't work towards some goal of least stupid super-humanity. As I'm sure you know. Conclusion: there'll always be stupidity.
              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday November 19 2015, @12:43AM

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 19 2015, @12:43AM (#265163) Journal

                Conclusion: there'll always be stupidity.

                That's an axiom, not a conclusion.

                The fitness function may include stupidity as a parameter, but it's not evident that the relation is linear. That is, lesser values of s don't necessarily lead to better fitness.

                At individual level, you are right, be it only because of stochastic variations.
                At statistically large ensembles of individuals and given enough time, some dynamics start to emerge.

                I promise that someday, just for the heck of it, I'll plug in some Lotka-Volterra eqs, assuming stupidity and wisdom are competing and are "infectious" via social/environment influences.

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday November 18 2015, @01:15PM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 18 2015, @01:15PM (#264828) Journal

          Stupid is self correcting, or at least self-Darwin-Awarding.

          Unfortunately, education is a system in which positive feedback dominates (statistically, dumbed-down teachers guarantees a stupider next generation, including stupider nextgen teachers). I'm afraid we are experiencing the beginning of a negative turn - it is not impossible for the entire species to self-Darwin-award.

          We need to lengthen the spawn cycle.

          It's indeed a pity humans are limited by nature to procreate first and accumulate experience/wisdom later in life. The reverse would arrest the downward branch of the positive feedback above, by eliminating stupid before reproductive maturity.

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford