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Four police officers and an unknown number of civilians have been hurt in an "active shooter" incident in the US city of Colorado Springs, police say.
Officers were exchanging fire with a gunman inside a Planned Parenthood clinic, police Lt Catherine Buckley said.
It was unclear if hostages had been taken, she said.
The city's Penrose hospital said it had received six patients, but did not say whether they were civilians or police.
The situation was still active and roads were closed, the city's police said in a tweet.
"We do not have the shooter at this point but we do have all of our resources brought to bear," Lt Buckley told local TV.
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:04AM
Stipulating (only for the sake of argument, this is not a position I hold or endorse) that one considers abortion to be murder, and in particular a form of murder actively condoned by the government at all levels to the point of being legal, and even financially and logistically supported ...
... then armed resistance doesn't seem quite so crazy.
There's a huge rush to condemn this sort of behaviour, but on the internet at large one doesn't tend to see reasoned, dispassionate analysis of the positions held by those who do such things. The problem with this is that if you make a mockery of your adversary, you cripple any hopes of reasoned, let alone courteous, discourse. Now, one could say that this is a particular issue where the gulf of understanding and attitudes is so hopelessly vast that all discourse is effectively unthinkable, not to say moot, but it's all too easy to fall into a hardened trap of saying that "They're all crazy!" and not bothering to examine one's own prejudices.
For myself, I think that abortion should be legal until at least a year post partum, but obviously I have differences with the person who undertook this course of desperation.
(Score: 3, Funny) by jasassin on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:32AM
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:37AM
> ... then armed resistance doesn't seem quite so crazy.
Where does that argument stop?
Should people who work for polluting companies be killed? Is it open season on Volkswagen employees? Exxon employees?
What about members of the military? Is it reasonable to shoot anyone in uniform because drone strikes kill so many innocent people?
(Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday November 28 2015, @01:11AM
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(Score: 2) by jmorris on Saturday November 28 2015, @04:53AM
Should people who work for polluting companies be killed?
They do and they get positive press. The left won't outright encourage it but they adore violent revolutionaries so it is a wink wink, nudge nudge sort of deal. Blow up a SUV dealership, spike a few trees to maim some poor lumberjack and they will give you a Law and Order episode where you look like a hero.... ok an 'anti-hero' but the regulars will say lots of nice things about you and your dedication to a worthy cause and imply the victim deserved it.
What about members of the military?
Does the name Bill Ayers ring any bells? Or how about Nidal Hasan? One was in a gang that tried to blow up some American troops and couldn't handle explosives properly. The other committed 'workplace violence' against some with a bit more success. Both have their fanclubs among the left.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 28 2015, @03:12PM
> Both have their fanclubs among the left.
It is pretty amazing how extreme partisans like yourself can turn an argument against violence into an attack on your perceived ideological enemies. It's like every post you make is nothing more insightful than, "Look at me, look at me! I hate liberals! Look at me!"
(Score: 2) by Mr Big in the Pants on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:40AM
"The problem with this is that if you make a mockery of your adversary, you cripple any hopes of reasoned, let alone courteous, discourse."
Spoken like someone who has no idea who the adversary in this instance is.
Seriously. This all sounds like pure common sense until you examine the people you are attempting to apply it to.
At that point it sound like you have no idea what you are fucking talking about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by HiThere on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:44AM
Condemnation of this kind of activity is appropriate no matter WHAT their reasoning is.
They can call abortion murder all they like, but that doesn't make it so. If you want to live by the artificial boundaries around things defined by words, then the defiition of murder is given by law. If you are more reasonable, then you see it as the cancellation of a potential sentience. Unless you consider boundaries even more fuzzy, in which case you can scale the sentience of various entities and probably end up deciding to be a vegetarian. That is a defensible ethical position. You can even end up wanting everyone else to be vegetarians. But when you start being willing to kill them because they aren't vegetarians, then you lose all ethical validity.
Backing away from the analogy, it's quite reasonable to be against abortion as a form of murder, but not to then be willing to commit murder yourself to prevent it. At that point it is quite clear that you're engaged in an immoral activity. The boundaries aren't entirely clear, proper defense of another is valid, even if it does lead to your killing someone engaged in an attack. But I'm afraid that I can't accept all lives as of equal worth. I don't count the life of a squirrel as equal to the life of a child. And I don't count the life of an unborn infant as equal to the life of his mother. And I don't think it's right to coerce a woman to support a child that can't survive independently. Or a father. Please note that I didn't say anything about whether the child had been born. But if the child has been born, there are other ways for it to be supported, and if you care enough about life you should support them. Adoption is one way. If the child has not been born, and is dependant on the mother for life support, then the mother should have the right to remove that life support. Society has to right to, if it chooses, itself provide that support. It hasn't chosen to. (Currently at many stages of the process it's technically unready, but there hasn't been a lot of effort put into making the technology ready, either. What there has been is usualy more associated with agriculture than medicine.)
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(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 28 2015, @01:00AM
"They can call abortion murder all they like, but that doesn't make it so."
It is, most definitely, a homicide. In this, a "nation of laws", all homicides are investigated as murders, unless and until evidence indicates that it was not a murder. In the case of abortion, it is almost always "legalized murder".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 28 2015, @01:59AM
>> "They can call abortion murder all they like, but that doesn't make it so."
>
> In the case of abortion, it is almost always "legalized murder".
Did you really intend to provide a live demonstration of HiThere's point?
(Score: 2, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:58AM
Let us not forget that Mainstream Media intentionally paints anti-abortion activists in the harshest light. MSM goes to great lengths to polarize the issue. Given two reasonable people who attempt to have a discussion, the media insists on barging into the room and shouting emotional propaganda during the discussion. No, there won't be any rational discourse on the subject, not in America.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 28 2015, @01:13AM
Let us not forget that Mainstream Media intentionally paints anti-abortion activists in the harshest light. MSM goes to great lengths to polarize the issue.
Well, since you insist, let us two reasonable people discuss this. Point one: that is not paint, that is people with guns and firebombs, people shouting and spraying spittle on sidewalks, threatening others. Point two: this issue is not polarized, it is over. Abortion is legal. It is part of the right to privacy, and you sticking your Runaway nose into it is illegal. OK, rational discourse finished. Carry on. But the rational people have already left the discussion.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 28 2015, @04:34AM
Number of babies butchered by PP - millions.
Number of abortionists killed by conservatives - couple dozen?
I'd say that your side is winning. Oh - it's not over either. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/13/us-usa-court-abortion-idUSKCN0T229F20151113 [reuters.com]
Or, do you think that it's alright for a non-doctor, or even a doctor without admittance rights at a local hospital, to insert hands and instruments inside of a person's body? Like the Texas legislature, I believe that if a doctor is going to perform intrusive procedures on anyone, he should be only steps away from emergency trauma personnel and equipment.
On the one hand, PP claims to be concerned over the health and welfare of women, but on the other hand, it's terribly expensive and inconvenient to insist that a doctor performing intrusive procedures be held accountable for any unforseen emergency. How do you spell "hypocrite"?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 28 2015, @02:09AM
Anti - abortions activists are nothing but religious nut cases, not all different than their middle eastern cousins, no wonder since they all share the same religion. Your kind has no problems killing other animals who are as smart or more than 4-5 years old humans but suddenly starts to be mushy about some fetus with no developed brained.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by deadstick on Saturday November 28 2015, @02:40AM
When the activist walks in and starts shooting, what color paint puts him in the proper light?
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 28 2015, @04:36AM
I'd have to say the same paint used for those who are butchering babies.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Sunday November 29 2015, @01:00AM
the media insists on barging into the room and shouting emotional propaganda during the discussion.
Pretty sure it wasn't the "Main Stream Media" that barged into this room shouting emotional propaganda...