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posted by n1 on Saturday November 28 2015, @10:11AM   Printer-friendly
from the tongue-firmly-in-cheek dept.

It always amuses me when folks give their insightful input in threads, adding comments about their last-century experience getting Linux going. It appears that this guy has a similar reaction.

Itripovermyownfeet shared his thoughts in the Linux Mint subreddit.

This is awful, when I install Linux on the desktop I'm expecting to be able to waste a solid 8 hours chasing down random issues that were solved on all other modern desktop systems by 2008. I went into this hoping and wishing to have to crawl through linuxquestions.org threads from 2006 to figure out why plugging in a second monitor doesn't work with X.org.

I want the peace and quiet that you can only get from spending 45 minutes trying to get alsa/oss/flavor of the week sound manager to work properly. I miss the subtle delicious pain of trying to figure out what I have to do to get Gnome 3 or Unity to provide desktop functionality that came standard with Windows NT 4.

With what you've done here I am no longer able to do any of these things. You've taken the awful travesty of an experience that trying to do anything production on a Linux desktop is supposed to provide and made it usable, sensible, and working out of the box. This is why I can't call Mint a Linux desktop. It's just a desktop... you monsters.

(I plugged a second monitor into my HDMI slot and it just worked. I have literally never experienced that since working with Linux since the days of Redhat 3. You've taken away a cherished time honoured tradition of having a terrible experience using a Linux desktop from me forever.)

Comments by other redditors include:

Gandalfx: Could "reverse trolling" be an appropriate term for this?

Crcr: I know what you mean, Mint has been this way for me since version 12 & it's starting to get old, the usability out of the box drives me nuts.

Foofly: I tried to explain to a friend that the installation experience is better than Windows these days. In addition to having way less driver issues in general. He didn't believe me since his last experience was almost 10 years ago.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday November 28 2015, @11:53AM

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday November 28 2015, @11:53AM (#269068) Journal

    Eh, just install Gentoo. At least the 8 hours will be spent productively, and you wind up with a vastly superior systemd-free OS.

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  • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:49PM

    by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Saturday November 28 2015, @12:49PM (#269076) Homepage Journal

    Last time I checked, systemd still gets installed as a non-init process. You have to specifically blacklist it, and use specific USE flags to avoid it entirely.

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    • (Score: 2) by iwoloschin on Saturday November 28 2015, @02:02PM

      by iwoloschin (3863) on Saturday November 28 2015, @02:02PM (#269101)

      You could try Funtoo. I haven't had systemd pulled in and I haven't had to do anything special. OpenRC forever?

    • (Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Saturday November 28 2015, @04:08PM

      by digitalaudiorock (688) on Saturday November 28 2015, @04:08PM (#269139) Journal

      As far as I know you have to go out of your way to use a systemd profile in Gentoo:

      eselect profile list
      Available profile symlink targets:
        [1]   default/linux/x86/13.0
        [2]   default/linux/x86/13.0/selinux
        [3]   default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop *
        [4]   default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop/gnome
        [5]   default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop/gnome/systemd
        [6]   default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop/kde
        [7]   default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop/kde/systemd
        [8]   default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop/plasma
        [9]   default/linux/x86/13.0/desktop/plasma/systemd
        [10]  default/linux/x86/13.0/developer
        [11]  hardened/linux/x86
        [12]  hardened/linux/x86/selinux
        [13]  hardened/linux/musl/x86
        [14]  default/linux/uclibc/x86
        [15]  hardened/linux/uclibc/x86

      Having said that however, if you try to install Godless programs that require it, like gnome >= 3.8 those will try to pull it in, and you have to look for stuff like that, or hard mask it to make sure you don't accidentally install it. That's not the fault of Gentoo but rather the assholes who've been trying to stuff that POS up everyone's ass.

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by bradley13 on Saturday November 28 2015, @01:33PM

    by bradley13 (3053) on Saturday November 28 2015, @01:33PM (#269086) Homepage Journal

    Eh, just install Gentoo. At least the 8 hours will be spent productively...

    "Productively" - I don't think that word means what you think.

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