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posted by martyb on Tuesday December 08 2015, @11:28AM   Printer-friendly
from the handouts-instead-of-gov't-jobs-or-worker-owned-cooperatives dept.

Common Dreams reports

As a way to improve living standards and boosts its economy, the nation of Finland is moving closer towards offering[1] all of its adult citizens a basic permanent income of approximately 800 euros per month.

[...] The monthly allotment would replace other existing social benefits, but is an idea long advocated for by progressive-minded social scientists and economists as a solution--counter-intuitive as it may first appear at first--that actually decreases government expenditures while boosting both productivity, quality of life, and unemployment.

[...] The basic income proposal, put forth by the Finnish Social Insurance Institution, known as KELA, would see every adult citizen "receive 800 euros ($876) a month, tax free, that would replace existing benefits. Full implementation would be preceded by a pilot stage, during which the basic income payout would be 550 euros and some benefits would remain."

[...] Under the current welfare system, a person gets less in benefits if they take up temporary, low-paying or part-time work--which can result in an overall loss of income.

[...] As Quartz reports, previous experiments with a basic income have shown promising results:

Everyone in the Canadian town of Dauphin was given a stipend from 1974 to 1979, and though there was a drop in working hours,[PDF] this was mainly because men spent more time in school and women took longer maternity leaves. Meanwhile, when thousands of unemployed people in Uganda were given unsupervised grants of twice their monthly income, working hours increased by 17% and earnings increased by 38%.

[1] Link to The Independent in TFA was redundant IMO.

...and, before anyone shouts SOCIALISM!, this is actually Liberal Democracy (of the Bernie Sanders type).

An actual move toward Socialism would subsidize the formation of worker-owned cooperatives. An initiative to do that was floated in 1980. 5 percent of taxes would have gone into a pool (kinda like USA's Social Security fund). The Finns rejected it. Source: Prof. Richard Wolff


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by q.kontinuum on Tuesday December 08 2015, @03:23PM

    by q.kontinuum (532) on Tuesday December 08 2015, @03:23PM (#273401) Journal

    How many will continue to work while lazy fucks get to mooch off of their sweat? I know I wouldn't. I'd take the basic income and go fishing every day.

    No you wouldn't. Because the basic income is just that: basic. As in, with a basic income, you can't afford to go fishing every day because the basic income doesn't cover the cost of maintaining your fishing gear, nor the travel to whatever body of water you're fishing in.

    I think it's not that black and white. I could imagine the basic income would be enough to sustain some simple pleasures. But the basic income is also the dial to calibrate, if more or less workers are required. If everyone turns lazy and just wants to go fishing, yes, the basic income will be reduced to a level not sufficient for fishing-gear. If enough people are still interested in working to get a better live (like, having a car, travel for vacation, having newest and nicest entertainment-equipment, motorcycle, whatever) and automation can still be improved, there will be enough left for those who just want fishing.

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