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Mozilla announced earlier today that they will be cancelling the Firefox OS effort, and will cease creation of new smartphones.
From Techcrunch:
To differentiate from Android and iOS, Mozilla and its carrier partners focused on a web-first platform, with no native and only web apps. Sales, however, were always poor and the devices themselves failed to ignite a lot of consumer interest, and a number of OEMs cornered the market with a flood of cheap handsets. In a business that depends on economies of scale, it was a failure.
This comes a week after gauging interest in spinning off Thunderbird. Is Mozilla's new focus on becoming privacy-oritented enough to save the struggling company? What experience did SoylentNews users have with FirefoxOS? I'll admit, I was optimistic and even owned a ZTE Open for a few months back in 2013, but it was a step down from my feature phone at the time (Nokia Asha 311) and ZTE never delivered on the promise to provide updates to the OS.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by mtrycz on Thursday December 10 2015, @10:50AM
I like options, and I like Mozilla, so this is pretty bad news. I also had a ZTE Open C (which was a much improved version of ZTE Open, it was usable) and it did what I wanted it to. I use my smartphone as a PDA anyway. The only problem was when Whatsapp decided to shut down their APIs. (I lost the phone, though would buy a new Firefox OS if I hadn't a spare android on hand).
Having an OS that doesn't come from an ad company is a great option. Expecially if it's coming from a someone that's done so much for the web (no-profit style) and is pushing for privacy.
Why does the submitter say that Mozilla is somehow struggling? Also, nitpicking, but it's not a "company".
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Thursday December 10 2015, @11:21AM
I'm disappointed about Thunderbird as well. With a focus on privacy, having an email client that could actually support encryption cleanly and easily would go a long way. Better integration of EnigMail and some key infrastructure to make things even easier would be a great thing for them to do. Certainly far better for privacy than adding features to store and sync bookmarks across installs, etc.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by pdfernhout on Friday December 11 2015, @02:22AM
See comments here on Mitchell Baker's blog post from 2012: https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stability-and-community-innovation/ [lizardwrangler.com]
An example from "roscoe": https://blog.lizardwrangler.com/2012/07/06/thunderbird-stability-and-community-innovation/comment-page-8/#comment-4700 [lizardwrangler.com]
"This is really disappointing. First Sunbird – a fine, robust Calendar app gets killed off. Then Songbird support on Linux was dropped. Now development of Thunderbird, the only reliable free GUI email client, is to be “left to the community”. Mozilla are putting all of their eggs in one basket with this narrow focus on Firefox OS, which, lets face it, is doomed to failure. There is no way Firefox OS can compete with Android. Thunderbird was great because it gave Mozilla a niche – Google don’t offer a desktop Email Client. Mitchell says “we have seen the rising popularity of Web-based forms of communications”. With Thunderbird being effectively mothballed, and a lack of other good free GUI based email clients, many people will have little choice but to switch to webmail. ..."
One has to ask what went wrong with Mozilla? What kind of group think led to this disaster? And that is the only word for the waste of (guesstimating) at least US$100 million dollars earmarked for free software, where such dollars are so hard to come by. Like a cancer eating money instead of sugar, Firefox OS sucked the (fiscal) life out of Thunderbird and even Firefox Desktop (with bugs going unfixed for years). I'm not asking anyone to step down -- just asking the Mozilla community to do some introspection on what went wrong internally or in the community for this sort of disaster to have happened? What failed in the internal decision making and due diligence processes? And, as a software developers, could better software tools like structured arguments (SRI SEAS) or multi-perspective tools (SRI Angler) or Issue Based Information Systems (Compendium/IBIS) made a difference in thinking these investments through better?
Here is a proposal I wrote up yesterday for at least improving the Thunderbird situation by creating a Thunderbird Server webapp that runs locally and is browsed using Firefox (and which could support structured arguments and multiple perspectives and IBIS); I posted the link to the Mozilla Governance thread about spinning off Thunderbird:
"Thunderbird Server as a Way Forward for Mozilla -- the ThunderbirdS Are Grow! Manifesto"
http://pdfernhout.net/thunderbirds-are-grow-manifesto.html [pdfernhout.net]
It would probably only cost a million dollars to get something working well-enough for most of the community to switch to it -- except Mozilla just wasted probably more than 100X that and so now may (perhaps correctly) claim to have no resources left to support what historically was part of their success. :-(
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(Score: 1) by pdfernhout on Friday December 11 2015, @03:02AM
Firefox OS itself looks like it will continue, so maybe that investment will still pay off:
http://www.cnet.com/news/startup-acadine-picks-up-the-torch-for-mozillas-troubled-firefox-os/#ftag=CAD590a51e [cnet.com]
"Mozilla isn't pulling the plug on Firefox OS completely, but the carrier partnership plan is over, said Ari Jaaksi, senior vice president of connected devices. ... Mozilla still hopes Firefox OS will power devices like this year's Panasonic 4K TV with apps and interactive features. And it's been working to encourage enthusiasts to install Firefox OS on their own phones. ..."
http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/82862.html?rss=1 [linuxinsider.com]
"Mozilla on Wednesday confirmed that it has hung up on the Firefox OS mobile phone and will try using the operating system to dial into other connected device uses instead."
To be clear, I like the idea of a free software phone where apps are deployed using web standards. Just, practically speaking, given all the past failures in the cell phone market by better funded efforts, it might have been better to get everyone writing such web standard apps for Firefox on Android, iOS, and the desktop first. Then if that succeeded, it's much lower risk to essentially just have Firefox as the single app running on Linux, like Chrome OS did with Chromebooks.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2015, @11:57AM
Firefox browser share has declined massively to as low as 10% by some counts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Usage_share_of_web_browsers_(Source_StatCounter).svg [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by richtopia on Thursday December 10 2015, @06:29PM
This worries me. Chrome is a good browser, but it seems we are moving to a monoculture. I don't think it will be as bad as IE6 days, but already I hit websites using advanced features of HTML5 that only Chrome supports - even the webkit Opera browser does not render the page.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Thursday December 10 2015, @10:49PM
Opera seems to stay pretty far behind the curve, have you tried using Comodo Dragon or Comodo Chromodo? Both of those are based on newer builds of chromium than Opera last I checked, with Chromodo being the bleeding edge build and Dragon being their stable branch, I've used both (currently using Chromodo as I type this) and they are nice, supports all the plug ins but without the Google phone home crap.
As for Mozilla? I think they are pretty much boned, they have ignored their users for so long too many have bailed and simply won't be coming back. I think Pale Moon will end up becoming the new FF, they have a good dedicated team, are making enough money from their search and default page (which I urge users to support by keeping it as I do, its quite handy with links to the most popular services) to keep the team working strictly on the browser, and they have already forked away from FF and have their own user agent string. They've even reached out to FF devs to support their browser with extensions built for PM and those that don't they are compiling their own versions for, its a well run and rock solid browser.
And for those that say "they are too small, no chance"? Remember that when FF launched (can't even remember what it was called then, Firebird? Phoenix? Something like that) they weren't big at all either, IE pretty much owned the web and they were just a speck compared to MSFT and ended up having nearly half the market....until they crapped all over their UI and ignored their users trying to be an ersatz Chrome.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Friday December 11 2015, @01:38AM
How can Opera be behind the curve? They now use the same Blink rendering engine as Google Chrome, making them a part of the browser monoculture.
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(Score: 1) by Fledermaus on Thursday December 10 2015, @12:11PM
I like options too, that's why I bought Jolla :)
But Firefox OS was never really an option; I feared it would get worse as time went on, as has been the case with their browser. Firefox is still my main browser (with pentadactyl), though slowly being replaced by qutebrowser.
And Whatsapp. Their hostility towards non-standard client users is a bit mystifying. You would think that more users the better?
(Score: 2) by romlok on Thursday December 10 2015, @12:43PM
There are both a Mozilla Foundation and a Mozilla Corporation. I believe they set things up this way so that Mozilla as a whole could take Google's cash as a majority of their income, without losing the non-profit status the Foundation holds.
Though you are right that neither are really "struggling", as most business owners would understand the term.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 10 2015, @08:12PM
Perhaps because they're struggling to find direction these days. They seem to be flailing about blindly at this point, trying to turn their flagship product into a Chrome clone instead of doing meaningful things like, oh, stabilising the extension API, fixing decades old bugs, etc.