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posted by cmn32480 on Wednesday December 16 2015, @07:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the prove-it! dept.

As Science alert reports, researches have proven for the first time, that a fundamental problem of quantum mechanics, the problem whether a material has an energy gap, is equivalent to the halting problem, which states there is no way to always determine in finite time whether a given program will ever terminate. It it the first and most well known example of an undecidable problem.

In the words of the scientists, as quoted by the article:

"What we've shown is that the spectral gap is one of these undecidable problems. This means a general method to determine whether matter described by quantum mechanics has a spectral gap, or not, cannot exist. Which limits the extent to which we can predict the behaviour of quantum materials, and potentially even fundamental particle physics." said one of the researchers, Toby Cubitt from University College London in the UK.

So why is this important? To quote the article:

Why are spectral gaps so important? They're a central property of semiconductors, which are crucial components of most electrical circuits, and physicists had hoped that if they'd be able to work out whether a material is superconductive at room temperature (a highly desirable trait) simply by extrapolating from a complete-enough microscopic description.

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But it goes even deeper:

There are some big implications of this discovery, especially given that there's a US$1 million prize at stake from the Clay Mathematics Institute for anyone who can prove whether the standard model of particle physics – which explains the behaviour of the most basic particles of matter in the Universe – has a spectral gap, using standard model equations.

"It's possible for particular cases of a problem to be solvable even when the general problem is undecidable, so someone may yet win the coveted $1 million prize," said Cubitt. "But our results do raise the prospect that some of these big open problems in theoretical physics could be provably unsolvable."

However, the discovery may also open up new possibilities:

"The reason this problem is impossible to solve in general is because models at this level exhibit extremely bizarre behaviour that essentially defeats any attempt to analyse them," said co-author David Pérez-García from the Universidad Complutense de Madrid in Spain.

"But this bizarre behaviour also predicts some new and very weird physics that hasn't been seen before. For example, our results show that adding even a single particle to a lump of matter, however large, could in principle dramatically change its properties. New physics like this is often later exploited in technology."

The team is now testing whether their mathematical models will hold up when tested in the lab with real quantum materials. Let's hope that problem is a little more solvable.

The actual scientific article is in Nature, an open access version can be found on arXiv.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by inertnet on Wednesday December 16 2015, @10:16PM

    by inertnet (4071) on Wednesday December 16 2015, @10:16PM (#277336) Journal

    The fact that these scientists cannot predict behavior of quantum particles in a complex lump of matter doesn't mean that there is no way at all. The particles know how to behave, so there must be a way to at least describe their behavior. Science just hasn't found out how to predict it yet. But as long as particles know what to do we'll be fine in the mean time.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 16 2015, @11:00PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 16 2015, @11:00PM (#277367)

    Particles are not sentient. They don't 'know'. Some things are determined by chance, i.e. random. You often can't really make predictions about single partibles in quantum mechanics, just about averages. So it does not suprise me some of the 'unknowables' extend to multiple-particle materials.

    Stubbornly saying it'd noty true 'just-because' or 'gut feeling' won't bring is much further scientifically.

    • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Wednesday December 16 2015, @11:39PM

      by inertnet (4071) on Wednesday December 16 2015, @11:39PM (#277393) Journal

      What I meant is that particles just follow the laws of physics. There's nothing random about that. Many particles in a system will look random to us, but each individual particle will just follow the law, as if it 'knows' what to do. To a particle the law is very clear, but to us it obviously isn't. Yet.

      • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Thursday December 17 2015, @05:51AM

        by mhajicek (51) on Thursday December 17 2015, @05:51AM (#277551)

        Brownian motion was once thought to be random.

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        The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
      • (Score: 1) by mobydisk on Thursday December 17 2015, @02:51PM

        by mobydisk (5472) on Thursday December 17 2015, @02:51PM (#277688)
        Do some reading on Bell's theorum [wikipedia.org] and Hidden variables theory. [wikipedia.org] We used to think that the "randomness" of quantum mechanics was really that we just didn't understand the rules. Once we understood the laws of physics completely, the randomness would go away and determinism would win again. But now we know that it is the opposite: quantum mechanics truly is random, and the "laws of physics" are really just statistical likelihoods that emerge from the patterns of randomness.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 17 2015, @06:17PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 17 2015, @06:17PM (#277802)

          Wrong. QM is as deterministic as Newtonian mechanics, it's just that underlying variable (say the wave function) cannot be observed empirically. Since we cannot fully determine the initial condition, we cannot fully predict the future outcome - best we can do is to estimate the outcome statistically.

  • (Score: 1) by YeaWhatevs on Wednesday December 16 2015, @11:02PM

    by YeaWhatevs (5623) on Wednesday December 16 2015, @11:02PM (#277371)

    Right. For instance, the article summary says the physics problem is equivalent to the halting problem. I expect they butchered the science in making this equivalence, but it means the halting problem can't be solved with a Turing machine, and so neither can the physics problem. This means, we can't solve the general problem using any modern computer, no matter how powerful. There are of course, at least in theory, machines that are non-turing (no, not quantum computers), so for all practical purposes we will probably not solve the problem any time soon, but it doesn't mean we have exhausted all possibilities.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 17 2015, @08:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 17 2015, @08:25AM (#277593)

      I don't think you understand.
      In brief, here's their problem:
      There's a system characterised, among other things, by the number of molecules N it has and the total energy E.
      Find a formula that will tell you what energies the electrons in this system can have for all N and E.

      Their result is that in order to solve this problem, you actually need to do it for each value of N separately, and the fastest way to solve it is to actually build the system, and check what you get.
      Obviously, in this scenario the analogue representation of the system (or the system itself) is what you call a "non Turing machine".

      But the important message is that it is impossible to build a consistent "statistical physics" for a certain class of systems; the limit of large N for these solutions does not actually exist.
      Obviously, in practical terms it may turn out that a formula that works 99.99% of the time may be found (hell, for macroscopic systems the number of molecules is not actually constant and there are impurities as well), but that is not their concern.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 17 2015, @04:03AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 17 2015, @04:03AM (#277495)

    > there must be a way to at least describe their behavior.
    > Science just hasn't found out how to predict it yet.

    That sounds like a statement of faith. Has physics converted the secular into the religious now?