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posted by n1 on Friday July 29 2016, @04:39AM   Printer-friendly
from the opportunists dept.

The crime rate, especially drug crime, decreases significantly when more 16-44 year olds have access to affordable Vocational Education and Training, (VET) according to a new University of Melbourne report.

Drug crime rate decreased 13 per cent when more people had access to a publicly-funded place in VET. The research also recorded a five percent and 11 per cent decrease in personal and property crime respectively, including assault, theft and burglary.

Report author, Dr Cain Polidano from the Melbourne Institute found that the extra public funding of VET (TAFE and private colleges) reduced the costs of crime.


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by quintessence on Friday July 29 2016, @05:09AM

    by quintessence (6227) on Friday July 29 2016, @05:09AM (#381430)

    When the path of least resistance is not to commit a crime, people opt for that.

    More than vocational training though is the jobs, to which I wonder with mechanized everything on the horizon, what happens when votech withers with the lack of employment opportunities.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @05:21AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @05:21AM (#381433)

    what happens when votech withers with the lack of employment opportunities.

    Duh. Some fool writes a report entitled Basic Income Reduces Crime.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @05:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @05:25AM (#381436)

      Counterpoint-

      Areas with a high population of welfare recipients also tend to be high crime areas.

      Not that I'm opposed to basic income necessarily, but having the entire nation on the plantation might not work out as well as anticipated.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @05:30AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @05:30AM (#381439)

        Entire nation on the plantation is exactly where we're headed if the 1%ers want to continue hoarding money and still keep their heads.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by TheRaven on Friday July 29 2016, @09:27AM

        by TheRaven (270) on Friday July 29 2016, @09:27AM (#381460) Journal

        Universal basic income doesn't mean that you won't work, it just means that you'll have a stronger bargaining position with potential employers. If you don't need the job to live then you can walk away if the conditions are too bad, but if they're okay then the extra income still increases your quality of life.

        One of the big problems with a lot of current welfare implementations is that going from not working at all to working a little bit can decrease your net income. UBI has the big advantage that if you always make more money by working than by not working, no matter how little you work. You also always make more money by working more than by working less (though with a progressive tax system, the marginal increase may be lower as you work more).

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @09:59AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @09:59AM (#381467)

          All of that is splendid and has absolutely nothing to do with the point- areas of increased welfare (i.e.- lack of job opportunities) typically have higher rates of crime.

          If there is no work, basic income means squat towards the crime rate.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @10:14AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @10:14AM (#381469)

            If you are getting a basic income, it makes it much easier to move to a better place where they may be jobs.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @01:36PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @01:36PM (#381524)

            And that's splendid but fails to account for every UBI trial ever done.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @11:08AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @11:08AM (#381486)

          The proposed Switzerland basic income was over $2,500 a month per adult. Even accounting for higher cost of living, that is massive.

          Many in the US can live comfortably on $800-1k a month and never work again. For extra money to spend on luxuries, committing opportunistic crimes once in a while such as mugging Pokemon Gotards is far easier than holding a job. If your crimes catch up to you, all your basic needs including health care are met in prison.

          You can also afford to be your own pimp and sell sex services with relative safety. To be fair, that can be called a job, but you don't even have to leave your government paid-for rented home or get off the bed to be a camwhore. Finally, the best manipulators will get clients to pay to watch them eat, or pay for the thrill of being financially dominated. That's right, there are men who pay "fin doms" to take their money and get almost nothing in return except maybe verbal abuse.

          The future is universal basic income, total unemployment, VR games, and absolute surveillance. Not so bad right?

  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday July 29 2016, @10:12AM

    Some jobs are easily mechanized, yes. Most skilled trades though are cheaper to keep paying hourly humans indefinitely for and some skilled trades will never be mechanized.

    Example, it will never be worth the cost of 3d printing yourself a plumbing robot vs hiring a skilled plumber for an hour.

    No, not even when your 3d printer is actually capable of printing circuits on computer chips (kinda necessary for any version of robot-topia), which will be a very long time from now.

    Also, resources are not infinite nor are they all home recyclable by any stretch of the imagination, so you will be paying for them. You'll also likely be charged a recycling fee for any printed objects you don't want to store indefinitely as well.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @10:49AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @10:49AM (#381479)

      some skilled trades will never be mechanized

      The job of court jester or staff troll will never be replaced by a toilet paper roll with a sharks+lasers joke printed on it.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday July 29 2016, @11:18AM

        Indeed, Bender aside, robots are not funny.

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        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday July 29 2016, @04:18PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday July 29 2016, @04:18PM (#381590) Journal

          No, they're not, but I need to give you credit for trying.

          God, you're to fucking typical. I knew, just KNEW, your idiotic "well I did X Y and Z back when I was a young shit golem, why can't everyone else?" was going to get smeared all over this thread. newsflash, shithead: it ain't the 70s no more. Purchasing power of the dollar has dropped incredibly low, almost as bad as World War II era if I remember right. I have TWO jobs, and still make barely $25K a year pre-tax, and this is WITH a hard-science degree (which is being used in neither...).

          The times, they have a-changed. Yes, I'd have more money for myself if I weren't doing all that anti-human-trafficking stuff, but you know what? That kind of selfishness is what lead to all this in the first place.

          I realize that your kind are characterized by a kind of ahistorical solipsism, and that there is no saving you; I will, however, point out these pathological thought patterns for the benefit of all watching who know you're full of shit but can't, or can't be bothered, to articulate why.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @02:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @02:55PM (#381551)

      Why print one yourself if you only need it for an hour. Just hire someone else's robot.

      Maybe your building, street, town or whatever can all chip in 20c and get a robot drain cleaner. There goes a large percentage of plumbing jobs.

      Of course robots will never be able to join pipes together. It would take some kind of magic welding robot. And we all know how far into the future that will be.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 29 2016, @03:47PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Friday July 29 2016, @03:47PM (#381569) Journal

      Example, it will never be worth the cost of 3d printing yourself a plumbing robot vs hiring a skilled plumber for an hour.
       
      For repairs to old houses, sure. But, once they start 3d-printing the whole house why wouldn't they 3d-print the pipes as well?

    • (Score: 2) by Bobs on Friday July 29 2016, @04:05PM

      by Bobs (1462) on Friday July 29 2016, @04:05PM (#381583)

      Yes, but...

      one of my neighbors is a plumber. He used to make good money during the construction boom a few years ago but not so much anymore, largely because of tech:

      Much of new plumbing is mostly simple, flexible screw (or worst case glue) together plastic tubes. You don't need a lot of skill / experience to deal with installing or even replacing it. The opportunities for high-skill, "well-paid" plumbers are shrinking rapidly. The work is being done faster (so pays less), requires no special tools and is often getting done by lower-paid, lower skill people.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @04:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 29 2016, @04:45PM (#381602)

      and some skilled trades will never be mechanized.

      We have no idea how sophisticated robots will even get.

    • (Score: 2) by Gravis on Saturday July 30 2016, @12:37AM

      by Gravis (4596) on Saturday July 30 2016, @12:37AM (#381815)

      No, not even when your 3d printer is actually capable of printing circuits on computer chips (kinda necessary for any version of robot-topia), which will be a very long time from now.

      maskless lithography [wikipedia.org] is already a thing and yes, you can buy small kiosks that make chips, so "a very long time from now" is just incorrect.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2016, @01:14AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2016, @01:14AM (#381824)

      We have this thing called software now, and multi-purpose computers.

      Or if you're are real cheapskate plug in wireless comms and do it all in the cloud.

      It's a complete strawman anyway. Robot-topia can still have factories to make the robots. No need to do any of that by yourself, unless it's just for fun.