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posted by cmn32480 on Monday August 01 2016, @06:58AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-not-un-possum-ble dept.

New Zealand will attempt to eradicate rats and other unwanted predators by 2050:

An isolated archipelago, New Zealand once hosted almost 200 bird species, many of them, like the iconic kiwi, having become flightless over generations because of a lack of natural predators. But several recently introduced species, such as rats, possums, and weasellike carnivores called stoats, now kill about 25 million of these native birds every year. Yesterday, the country's prime minister, John Key, announced a $20 million commitment of seed money to set up Predator Free New Zealand Ltd., a company that would lead the charge in ridding the nation of the three mammals and five other foreign predators by 2050. Until now, similar eradication efforts by the country have focused on small islands; those efforts boast a 90% success rate in eliminating rodents, says James Russell, a conservation biologist at the University of Auckland in New Zealand. The new goal, Russell says, is "the modern equivalent to landing someone on Mars" and will ultimately require new technologies and billions of dollars to succeed. But he is optimistic because local communities and organizations, which could foot a large portion of the total bill, are on board.

[...] Also, once eliminated, rats will likely keep coming back in, Merrill notes. "They can do it if they can prevent the rats from jumping off the boats," he predicts. Russell says that's doable. "We are currently close to a 100% success rate in intercepting new mammal arrivals on the islands." New Zealand's track record on its smaller islands bodes well, Martin says. "This challenge is of mind-blowing proportions, but if anyone can do it, the New Zealanders can."


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by butthurt on Monday August 01 2016, @07:16AM

    by butthurt (6141) on Monday August 01 2016, @07:16AM (#382512) Journal

    The article doesn't mention cats. I've heard that cats sometimes kill both birds and rats. If rats are disappeared but cats and birds remain, it seems likely that the cats would hunt birds more assiduously.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:29AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:29AM (#382517)

    It should have mentioned cats as in "the cats out of the bag" and there is no getting it back in. I can't think of a single place where an invasive species been defeated.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by c0lo on Monday August 01 2016, @07:40AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 01 2016, @07:40AM (#382522) Journal

      I can't think of a single place where an invasive species been defeated.

      Bikini atoll springs to mind.
      Safer from orbit for the size of NZ.

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    • (Score: 1) by Derf the on Monday August 01 2016, @11:57AM

      by Derf the (4919) on Monday August 01 2016, @11:57AM (#382580)

      Well, here's the latest place...

      http://milliondollarmouse.org.nz/ [milliondollarmouse.org.nz]

      There are literally 100's of places around here; islands for example...

      http://www.doc.govt.nz/nature/habitats/offshore-islands/ecological-restoration-of-offshore-islands/ [doc.govt.nz]

      But for the really big story let us unleash this tech...

        http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/saturday/audio/201804139/rob-knight-engineering-pests [radionz.co.nz]
      [this summary has the link to a very good interview, well worth the following]

      I'm for it but I do think we will need some off switch of some kind to contain any damage emenating from the over zealous who may shift some individuals into ecosystems we DON'T want them removed from.

      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 01 2016, @01:08PM

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday August 01 2016, @01:08PM (#382601) Homepage
        Ugh, her introduction begins with the "humans are 90% bacteria" myth - which he didn't contradict. How am I supposed to trust him?
        http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2016/01/06/036103 (though it's been known to be false for a while, it was being called a "fake fact" back in 2014. And since when were counts the appropriate way of measuring whether we're "more" of one thing than the other? That's as meaningful as "there are more insects than bricks in your house" - how is mass not the more sensible measure?)
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        • (Score: 2, Touché) by Derf the on Monday August 01 2016, @09:48PM

          by Derf the (4919) on Monday August 01 2016, @09:48PM (#382848)

          Thus you think the concept proposed is technically unachievable?

          That because you do not trust his judgement you think we should not use CRISPR to ensure Y chromosome dominance in a population of an invasive vertebrata (vertebrata which is presently responsible for the imminent world-wide extinction of several species) and thus the local extinction of the species without the otherwise resulting mass poisonings, collateral poisonings, immune resistance, behaviour modification(eg bait shyness), mind boggling expenditure and likely programme failure?

          I can think of some reasons for being extremely careful of selfish-gene Y chromosome dominance releases, as I previously mentioned, but a scientists interview skills|techniques is not one of them.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday August 01 2016, @10:25PM

            by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Monday August 01 2016, @10:25PM (#382864) Homepage
            > Thus ... ?

            No, I simply think he's unreliable. Somebody reliable, someone who cared about correctness, would not a fake fact that that simply slip past. Which is why I worded my complaint about him the way that I did - I can't trust him. That's what science is about, it's about not trusting people. If he's open enough about what he wants to test, then independent replication studies can be performed simultaniously. Eventually.
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            • (Score: 1) by Derf the on Tuesday August 02 2016, @01:24PM

              by Derf the (4919) on Tuesday August 02 2016, @01:24PM (#383115)

              It's just that a many 1000 fold decrease in cost and freedom from future funding risks, as the costs, such as they are, are almost entirely up front seemed to me to be among several of the ideas brought forward that are significantly more important than her throw away line, and thus warranting some comment... unless your distrust was such that you then didn't believe in any of the modelling or basic science done and presented, hence the "thus ".

    • (Score: 2) by WalksOnDirt on Monday August 01 2016, @04:31PM

      by WalksOnDirt (5854) on Monday August 01 2016, @04:31PM (#382670) Journal

      The largest island freed of rats that I know of is South Georgia island. They did this by spreading poison around. This may not be desirable in New Zealand.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday August 02 2016, @01:02AM

        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday August 02 2016, @01:02AM (#382910)

        They did this by spreading poison around. This may not be desirable in New Zealand.

        We do it all the time. NZ is the world's largest user of 1080 poison which we air-drop into forests to kill off predators.
        Here's a press release that explains it quite well. [doc.govt.nz]

        Let's be quite clear though, the New Zealand government has no intention of trying to eradicate rats and other pests, they are attempting to win the next election.
        They announced an extra $28 million of new spending on this, but I can't find any confirmation that it actually is new money. Usually when they say "new money" it's really just taken from somewhere else. Also $28 million is not even a tiny start on the problem.

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 01 2016, @07:30AM

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 01 2016, @07:30AM (#382518) Journal

    I was about to suggest foxes, but then I recalled the atto-foxes [wikipedia.org] - dem foxes are pretty resilient.

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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:36AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:36AM (#382520)

    you want to kill kittens? seriously? you expect a politician to go on TV and say "I want to kill kittens".
    on second thought, I think Trump could do that.

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 01 2016, @07:39AM (#382521)

      Release the sexual predators. Fuck the pussies to death.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday August 01 2016, @07:45AM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 01 2016, @07:45AM (#382523) Journal

      you expect a politician to go on TV and say "I want to kill kittens".

      Not a problem in OzLand [theaustralian.com.au] - you can even get re-elected and receive a ministry.

      I suspect neither the kiwi cousins would see anything wrong with that.

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    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Monday August 01 2016, @08:03AM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Monday August 01 2016, @08:03AM (#382527) Journal

      you want to kill kittens? seriously? you expect a politician to go on TV and say "I want to kill kittens".

      No need to do it yourself. You know, every time you masturbate, god kills a kitten. So all you need is a national masturbation campaign. ;-)

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by butthurt on Monday August 01 2016, @09:02AM

      by butthurt (6141) on Monday August 01 2016, @09:02AM (#382540) Journal

      I should have realised that efforts to kill (euphemistically, "cull") or sterilise cats were already underway. For example, such an effort was successful on New Zealand's Little Barrier Island. [researchgate.net]

      It could be that Predator Free New Zealand wishes to avoid duplication of effort.

      Surprisingly, killing cats was found, in one study, to increase the local feline population. This however happened on a large landmass where new cats could move into the area as mature, dominant cats were killed.

      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273508911_Effects_of_low-level_culling_of_feral_cats_in_open_populations_A_case_study_from_the_forests_of_southern_Tasmania [researchgate.net]