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posted by n1 on Thursday August 11 2016, @08:56PM   Printer-friendly
from the cash-prizes-to-be-won dept.

Last week Apple made its belated entrance into the bug bounty market, announcing a top award of $200,000 for major flaws in iOS, but Cook & Co have been comprehensively outbid.

On Tuesday, exploit trading firm Exodus Intelligence said it is willing to pay $500,000 for a major flaw in iOS 9.3 and above – and the exploit to use it. Researchers can either take a lump sum or accept a smaller sum and quarterly payments until the exploit is found, which the company's founder told The Reg could add up to even more.

"The majority of our clients are defensive vendors, penetration testers, and red/blue teams," said Logan Brown, president of Exodus.

Apple exploits get the highest reward, reflective of their scarcity. Microsoft and Google's bug bounty programs will also need to up their rewards to match Exodus's prices.

[...] Security experts are worried that the hoarding of serious flaws will have a deleterious effect on overall security for everyone. Exodus attempted to reassure people on this front by beginning a vulnerability disclosure process back in February, but it only discloses after it has extracted the "maximum value for our customers."


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  • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 11 2016, @09:51PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 11 2016, @09:51PM (#386796)

    Winning the occasional big prize is not a sane way to earn a living. Just try getting a home loan with "sometimes I win prizes". Trying to support a family on that should be terrifying. Most of us would prefer a stable salary with benefits.

    As part of a team, you can specialize on sub-tasks of the problem. You can pick apart binaries by hand. You can work on emulators or automated binary analysis, such as the code that was applied to https://www.cybergrandchallenge.com/ [cybergrandchallenge.com] last weekend. You can write assembly code, drivers, compilers, and boot loaders.

    Send something like a resume to cyber at raytheon.com and tell them Albert sent you.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 11 2016, @10:29PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 11 2016, @10:29PM (#386803)

    Some people prefer to live by their wits. Ask any commission sales person.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday August 11 2016, @10:44PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday August 11 2016, @10:44PM (#386805) Homepage

      You can be a corporate whore and still live by your wits, in fact, it requires far less wits to advance as a corporate whore than to hustle for basic subsistence.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @05:15AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @05:15AM (#386904)

        Yeah, it only requires a tough pussy/ass, cause nobody cares about your wits

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday August 11 2016, @10:42PM

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday August 11 2016, @10:42PM (#386804) Homepage

    I heard from one of your guys that your employer is developing some rather interesting Cyberstalking Society Oppression Tools™.

    Unfortunately, until the Government lightens up on pot-smoking and occasional hard-drug usage with regard to security clearances, your potential talent pool is going to be rather limited.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 11 2016, @11:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 11 2016, @11:25PM (#386813)

      Somebody else does development of the Cyberstalking Society Oppression Tools™. That kind of project is usually written in disturbing languages like Java, C#, Python, and other interpreted crap. It's sold to cops. It probably runs on Windows Vista. It's more soul-sucking than doing COBOL for American Express.

      We do low-level stuff. It's way more fun.

      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday August 11 2016, @11:43PM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday August 11 2016, @11:43PM (#386820) Homepage

        If you consider transplanting individual blades of grass, sawing concrete with butter-knives, and matching and folding a mixed pile of 100 different pairs of socks "fun," then you should probably include a lot of masochism questions in your employment questionnaire.

        In fact, the first thing you should do is hire Angela Merkel -- she's eaten more than her fair share of shit and hates everything about people.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @05:20AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @05:20AM (#386905)

          she's eaten more than her fair share of shit and hates everything about people.

          In contrast with another prominent member of the female politician species, who spews shit incessantly and still hates everything about people.

  • (Score: 2) by arslan on Thursday August 11 2016, @11:21PM

    by arslan (3462) on Thursday August 11 2016, @11:21PM (#386811)

    It is for kids living in their parent's basement....

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @03:43AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @03:43AM (#386891)

      I've read numerous articles that suggest that many of the people do it for fun. They spend all day trying to be constructive, so at night they tear stuff apart with the added benefit of not having to be the one to actually fix it. Plus, with many automated testing tools, many bugs are found by those rather than real effort. This makes it so the money is really just a bonus on top of stuff they might have been doing anyway.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @02:28AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @02:28AM (#386876)

    "I won a $500 000 prize that is being paid to me as an annuity. Oh and I have the nudes from your iPhone...if wearing catsup counts as nudity." Try getting a loan on that basis. Impossibru!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @05:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 12 2016, @05:36PM (#387097)

    If they actually pay up it's not a problem for people in cheaper countries. USD500,000 = 33,452,500 Indian rupees. 33.4 million rupees

    Salary for Senior Software Engineer in India: http://www.payscale.com/research/IN/Job=Senior_Software_Engineer/Salary [payscale.com]
    Let's say 1M rupees per year. So that's salary for 33 years. If you're not a total retard for finance stuff I'm sure you'd do fine even if you don't work for the rest of your life.

    Cost of living: http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/city_result.jsp?country=India&city=Hyderabad [numbeo.com]

    You could work part time doing something else, or even look for another bug. Maybe you'll find another in 3 years, in which case you're really set for life (in India anyway). Or go find some bugs elsewhere: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/02/meet-the-bughunters-the-hackers-in-india-protecting-your-facebook-profile [theguardian.com]

    I don't live in India and USD500,000 is about 20-30 years salary too for IT people in my country. So if I had the skills (I don't) and these bunch actually pay up, it's pretty good.

    BTW this is why many of your jobs are getting outsourced. We may not be as good as the top 20%, but 80% of you should be concerned: http://thenextweb.com/shareables/2013/01/16/verizon-finds-developer-outsourced-his-work-to-china-so-he-could-surf-reddit-and-watch-cat-videos/ [thenextweb.com]

    Apparently Bob had the same scam going across multiple companies in the area (this part is a little unclear given that he clearly couldn’t physically go into work for all of them), earning “several hundred thousand dollars a year,” and only paying the Chinese consulting firm “about fifty grand annually.” At the unnamed company, he apparently received excellent performance reviews for the last several years in a row, even being hailed the best developer in the building: his code was clean, well-written, and submitted in a timely fashion.

    We'd be competitive with the AIs and robots for a bit longer than you will be, so if your country is rich enough you should really look into that Basic Income thing.