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Halal Supermarket in France Told to Sell Pork and Alcohol or Face Closure
A halal supermarket in France has been ordered to start selling pork and alcohol or face being shut down.
Good Price discount store in north-west Paris has been accused of breaching the conditions of its lease by not acting as a general food store, the local housing authority has claimed.
It argues that the local community in Colombes are not being served properly at the shop if no pork or alcohol products are sold there.
[...] The shop is allegedly prioritising a certain group within society which breaches the country's principles, the authority said.
Source: Metro
Cannes Bans "Burkinis" Over Suspected Link to Radical Islamism
The mayor of Cannes in southern France has banned full-body swimsuits known as "burkinis" from the beach, citing public order concerns.
David Lisnard said they are a "symbol of Islamic extremism" and might spark scuffles, as France is the target of Islamist attacks.
France is on high alert following a series of incidents including July's truck attack in nearby Nice.
Anyone caught flouting the new rule could face a fine of €38 (£33). They will first be asked to change into another swimming costume or leave the beach.
Source: BBC News
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 14 2016, @06:57AM
It's dumb to ban "birkini's"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Sunday August 14 2016, @08:20AM
This is not a French ban - in both cases it is a case of local politicians trying to enforce regulations that they, personally, wish to see. They are using local-byelaws in one instance, but the same intention is evident in both stories. In neither case can I find any reporting on the extent of support these measures have in the general population so I cannot say how such local laws are being received.
The solution to the problem is not increased extremism - but tolerance. Those that move to another country must be prepared to follow the laws of their new home but, once accepted as immigrants, they should be permitted the same freedoms in respect of worship, diet and beliefs as any other citizen of that country. Singling out any one group is simply playing into the hands of the terrorists i.e. the terrorists win. And make no mistake - they are winning around the world.
I suspect that you don't believe me. So ask yourself how much western nations are spending on 'security' to counter what is, in many ways, a very small threat. What changes have you seen since 9/11? How much has been spent trying to defeat a rag-tag army that can only maintain control by enforcing cruel laws on their own 'subjects'. The thing that the terrorist has going for him is fear - and every measure that we take, every dollar/pound/euro that is spent in the name of security show that politicians fear what the terrorist can achieve.
These examples of French politicians 'pushing-back' against locals who, in many cases, were actually born in France, are another sign of how our intolerance will help the terrorist divide and conquer. How can anyone imagine that formentting tensions between two sections of one's own population can be a sensible move?
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Sunday August 14 2016, @10:13AM
It's more a response to the new "locals" bringing their terrorism to the new country and killing people.
(Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Sunday August 14 2016, @12:57PM
I don't agree. It is more the case of a lot of people being punished for the actions of only a handful.
Ted Kaczynski and Timothy McVeigh were home-grown American terrorists - should all Americans be punished for the crimes of those 2 people? Similar examples can be found in many western countries, but we don't blame the rest of the population for events for which they were not responsible.
Blaming and punishing all Muslims is playing into the hands of the terrorists. How about we return to the state of law where only the guilty are punished? Better that than closing shops because they do not sell pork or alcohol, or banning peoples' dress because it is not what we are used to seeing. Full nudity is permitted on some beaches in Cannes, and topless bathers are commonplace - and entirely legal. Why is wearing clothing offensive? Is being different a crime now?
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Sunday August 14 2016, @09:43PM
Until they take responsibility that there is a venomous and useless sect within them, and they eradicate it themselves they need to be held responsible. France and Germany didn't have a terrorist problem until they let a bunch of Syrian cancer into their midst. It was obviously a mistake and they are paying dearly.
Yes, banning Burkinis is stupid..but trying to eradicate a venomous culture is not. The only real solution is their deportation.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday August 15 2016, @07:03AM
But the vast majority of immigrants are not involved. ISIS has taken advantage of the situation, including the freedom of travel without needing passports or border controls within Schengen [wikipedia.org] area, to move terrorists throughout Europe.
Americans allowed the Unabomber and Timothy McVeigh to become terrorists in their own country. Do we blame each individual American for the acts of these terrorists or for not having arrested them? No, but we do allow the government to take appropriate actions to combat terrorism - just as the governments of France, Germany, and elsewhere are doing in theirs.
(Score: 2) by Entropy on Monday August 15 2016, @08:45AM
While the vast majority may not be involved an INCREDIBLE AMOUNT MORE are involved than say, the unibomber...so many more that they are unfortunately a cancer. If 0.01% of americans become the unibomber, it might be 5% or 500x more Islamic people that become terrorists. Also American citizens don't generally go over to other countries and suicide bomb their people.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday August 15 2016, @11:41AM
You have based your claim on what evidence? Those that provide shelter or support to terrorists are also breaking the law and are treated as such. However, the numbers involved are very small compared to the size of the population of Europe. How many were actively involved in the 9/11 plot?
There we undoubtedly others engaged in the planning and support but probably not a large number. The number killed as a result of their actions far exceeds the number of people involved in terrorism in America. If the evidence that has been uncovered so far is reasonably accurate, then the same is true in Europe. A small number of people can affect the perceived level of safety of an entire country.
This is why terrorism is so successful and we have to be very careful not to inadvertently assist the terrorists by over-reacting against a sizable part of the law abiding public. I cannot accept your claim and have to challenge your assertion of an 'incredible amount more' without seeing your supporting evidence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @04:10PM
France and Germany didn't have a terrorist problem until they let a bunch of Syrian cancer into their midst.
Baader-Meinhof, Action Directe, Red Brigades.... how soon they forget once they are locked up.
Oh, you meant recently. But this is only the latest color of it.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Sunday August 14 2016, @07:05PM
And how can having the government control what clothing people are allowed to wear possibly be justified? Terrorism certainly can't justify that kind of response.
(Score: 1) by STDOUBT on Sunday August 14 2016, @06:19PM
> but, once accepted as immigrants, they should be permitted the same freedoms in respect of worship, diet and beliefs as any other citizen of that country.
I hope that in your mind doesn't include the religious freedom to clip off their 3-year-old's clitoris.
Some cultures are simply not compatible. There is no law, natural or otherwise, that says everyone everywhere must get along with everyone. It's why people generally live among those who share their own beliefs, values and ideals. Have we really entered an age where it's now wrong to wish to live among your own and only your own?
We must not say that every mistake is a foolish one.~Marcus Tullius Cicero
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday August 15 2016, @06:56AM
Obviously not - and I stated it quite clearly in my piece. FGM (Female Genital Mutilation) is illegal in most of Europe, as is the taking of a young girl out of Europe to have FGM carried out elsewhere.