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posted by martyb on Sunday August 14 2016, @09:11PM   Printer-friendly
from the One-OS-to-Rule-Them-All? dept.

Google is designing a new operating system (also at Github) based on its own new kernel (Magenta), which may be intended to unify/replace Android and ChromeOS. It is also expected to run on a wide range of ARM and x64 devices, such as Chromecast, Raspberry Pi 3, smartphones, laptops, and desktops.


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by opinionated_science on Sunday August 14 2016, @10:25PM

    by opinionated_science (4031) on Sunday August 14 2016, @10:25PM (#387991)

    Well unless this new work is GPL, sod them. We might as well go and get meego, with libhybris (assuming it continues to work) and tell google where to shove it.

    Human society needs to come up with a system where corporations carry out tasks for the good of society, with resources more efficiently for the benefit of all.

    Not, artificially lock up resources by leveraging tax breaks, and then dribbling out advances to maximise profit and supress competition.

    Oh dear, my tin foil seems to have slipped..../sarc

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @12:07AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @12:07AM (#388017)

    Linus' insistence on a constantly moving driver API means that it is impossible to upgrade the kernel on most Android devices. Which means that the tremendously wasteful security model of "just buy a new phone" every 1.5-2 years is partially his fault.

    Linus Torvalds is responsible for much of the technical waste we have created over the past 10 years.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @12:22AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @12:22AM (#388021)

      Linus' insistence on a constantly moving driver API means that it is impossible to upgrade the kernel on most Android devices. Which means that the tremendously wasteful security model of "just buy a new phone" every 1.5-2 years is partially his fault.

      Linus Torvalds is responsible for much of the technical waste we have created over the past 10 years.

      If you really feel that he is the cause, then call Linus out on it on a public list he will see. He won't hold back his comments, so I would not hold back your comments.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @02:23AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @02:23AM (#388055)

        Why? He knows where the fuck I stand on this issue.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by FatPhil on Monday August 15 2016, @06:52AM

      by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday August 15 2016, @06:52AM (#388110) Homepage
      I call bullshit. How many times has Linus *shouted* "never break userspace" to kernel devs?

      Answer - every time.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @07:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @07:23PM (#388347)
        Driver API != userspace. You shouldn't be modded informative.

        Random companies in the world aren't always going to (or be able to) recompile/change their drivers just because the kernel decides to be incompatible. For one, they might no longer be around to do so.

        In comparison Windows XP managed to retain compatibility with most drivers (and malware ;) ) through nearly 15 years of kernel updates.

        So even if some random manufacturer in Taiwan goes out of business the same Win XP drivers would still work the same way when you bought the hardware- they might work like crap but if you accepted that crap 15 years ago and the hardware hasn't died it'll still be at the same level of crappiness. You might even have an ISO procedure for tolerating it...

        Whereas you can't say the same for Linux. Random idiots may claim that there's a whole bunch of Linux kernel developers queuing up to write drivers for hardware, but that's just bullshit - since in practice most of them will want documentation or source code which isn't going to be available from no longer existing manufacturers.

        And random idiots can also say the manufacturer should have provided the source in the first place. Yeah they should and I should also have ten million dollars. Heck, in some cases manufacturers might actually have provided source, but the source doesn't work with the actual hardware you bought. Sure, I'm making stuff up. But whose bullshit is closer to reality?
        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 16 2016, @07:28AM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday August 16 2016, @07:28AM (#388601) Homepage
          Breaking a driver's ability to build will break userspace, same thing. There's always been the "if you cause another driver to fail to build, then you must fix that driver" principle too. That's what allmod and randommod configs are all about.
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        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday August 16 2016, @07:43AM

          by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday August 16 2016, @07:43AM (#388603) Homepage
          Oh - and if it's not open source, it's not Linux, it simply something that can be bolted onto Linux.
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @06:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @06:48PM (#388326)

      I used to run Linux on my personal computer, but I got fed up with throwing out perfectly good hardware every too years.

  • (Score: 2) by Geotti on Monday August 15 2016, @04:54PM

    by Geotti (1146) on Monday August 15 2016, @04:54PM (#388260) Journal

    Human society needs to come up with a system where corporations carry out tasks for the good of society, with resources more efficiently for the benefit of all.

    Sure thing, here you go [wikipedia.org].