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After a night of violent protests, Milwaukee residents gathered Sunday evening to mourn an armed man shot to death by police and begin the healing process.
Family and friends of Sylville Smith, 23, held a candlelight vigil at the site of Saturday's shooting in a residential area of North Milwaukee.
The shooting triggered unrest in the city's north side Saturday night as protesters torched businesses and threw rocks at officers. Four officers were injured and 17 people were arrested, Mayor Tom Barrett said.
Tensions on Sunday gave way to calls for peace as activists gathered outside the affected businesses.
Smith's sister, Sherelle Smith, condemned violence carried out in her brother's name, saying the community needs those businesses.
Black Lives Shatter
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/14/us/milwaukee-violence-police-shooting/
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 15 2016, @04:56PM
You're saying the "I have a dream" speech is racist revisionism? Cause that's where I got the idea.
The problem with your quote is that the starting lines are equal nowadays. Or at least equal enough that we have a black President, black scientists, black CEOs, black pretty much everything; even black hockey players. Some people, however, do not care about facts because taking the win would mean they're out of a very lucrative job or might have to face the fact that they paid tens of thousands of dollars to be lied to for four years and whitey is not in fact the cocksucker their professors told them he was.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @05:01PM
> You're saying the "I have a dream" speech is racist revisionism? Cause that's where I got the idea.
In your entire life you've read one paragraph that King wrote. You have no context other than the denatured interpretation fed to you by people with the agenda of neutering his message. Learn a thing or two about MLK before loudly proclaiming what King would think.
> The problem with your quote is that the starting lines are equal nowadays.
False beyond all measure. When the median white family wealth is 13x the median black family wealth the starting lines are not even close to equal.
> Or at least equal enough that we have a black President
Lol. We have a black president so racism is over! I don't think you could be less incurious if you tried.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 15 2016, @05:25PM
You know what I've read now? Go ahead, tell me more on this subject. I'm interested in how I, of all people, listen to talking heads to give me my views. Please let me know which ones they are so I can start paying them any attention at all. Oh, wait, this is coming from someone who got spoon-fed his views from his professor. Project much?
Starting wealth has nothing to do with anything. In with "correlation is not causation" before you spout some bullshit statistic. Going from rags to riches isn't easy but it is simple. I could give you the recipe in one short paragraph.
There is one, and only one, significant problem to someone having to grow up black vs growing up white in this day and age: black culture. It is poisonous. The things it teaches them to admire are toxic to any hopes of a successful life. Those who figure this out discard that culture and go on to make something of themselves, by in large. It is also not something that can, or should, be solved by white knights. If you really want to help them, tell them to spend more on their house than on their car. Tell them to marry their baby-mama and raise their fucking kids or tell them to take it in the butt unless they got a ring on their finger. Tell them to go to school and learn something useful. These aren't hateful stereotypes; these are the hard fucking truths about the average black person.
Get a fucking clue and stop parroting what you "learned" in college.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @05:39PM
> You know what I've read now?
Are you being ironic? The guy who goes around falsely telling people what King would think is indignant about being mischaracterized?
> Starting wealth has nothing to do with anything.
So now you are denying the very words that King wrote. That only proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you don't give a damn about King as an authority on the issue, just as only a prop you can co-opt to justify your own views.
> Get a fucking clue and stop parroting what you "learned" in college.
Who said I went to college? Go ahead, tell me more on this subject.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 15 2016, @06:14PM
Falsely only if you do not read anything but what you want to see in King's words.
As for denying his words, of course I do. King was a great man but he wasn't always correct.
With these words, he hit it out of the park, even if he may not have known it at the time. Not being judged by the color of their skin necessitates equal treatment under the law. Any action taken on their part because of their skin color, harmful or helpful, negates his dream. So King logically contradicted himself and it's left up to us to decide if we prefer equal treatment under the law for all citizens or creating special classes with special rights. You know, the definition of privilege.
I may have been mistaken about you going to college. It's happened before once or twice. Do please tell me where you got these blatantly racist ideals if it wasn't in college though. I like to know where my enemies are.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @08:00PM
> With these words, he hit it out of the park, even if he may not have known it at the time.
He didn't know it at the time, but you are sure it defined his world view. Do you hear yourself?
The fact that of everything King has written and said, books worth, the only thing you can cite to support your wishful thinking is a single sentence is all the proof anyone needs that you know absolutely nothing else about the man.
> Do please tell me where you got these blatantly racist ideals if it wasn't in college though.
Do please tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?
> I like to know where my enemies are.
Wow, "enemies." WTH is wrong with you?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @09:54PM
So your comebacks are tired cliches and emotional outbursts?
Lol. TheMightyBuzzard claims another victim. It's been fun watching from the sidelines but, mon AC, you have been thoroughly trounced. Fight another day as you've lost this one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @05:54PM
Starting wealth has nothing to do with anything.
Sounds like an argument for a 100% inheritance tax.
Who would have guessed it? Buzz is a commie!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 15 2016, @06:15PM
Ha! That's funny, that is.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @11:39PM
> black culture. It is poisonous. The things it teaches them to admire are toxic to any hopes of a successful life
Is that some sort of old man complaint about gangster rap? That went out with tipper gore. If you think "black culture" is anti-intellectual, then you are just repeating talk radio myths without bothering to actually research them. [nytimes.com] This ideology concerning nerds and geeks did not originate in the African-American community, but in predominantly White, middle-class, suburban communities. All races have nerds.
> tell them to spend more on their house than on their car.
Are you kidding? When you can't get a mortgage how the fuck are you supposed to spend anything on your house?
> Tell them to marry their baby-mama and raise their fucking kids or tell them to take it in the butt unless they got a ring on their finger.
You think that matters? Marriage doesn't make a child's life better, resources make a child's life better. Correlation is not causation. Marriage is just a proxy for having the resources to be able to marry. [washingtonpost.com]
The actual out of wedlock birthrate for black women is down more 50% from 1970. [theatlantic.com] It is the lowest its ever been since we started measuring. And that hasn't helped economic circumstances in the black community. At the same time the out of wedlock birthrate for white women has more than doubled in the same time period.
> These aren't hateful stereotypes; these are the hard fucking truths
That's exactly what they are. Every damn bigot ever has claimed their bigotry was honestly based on "truth." It is the first line in the playbook. Stop parroting what you learned on stormfront.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:03AM
No, it's coming from a guy whose town is half black and from the US Census Bureau.
It's not hard. Here's how not to do it: live in income based housing and have a car nicer than mine with rims that cost upwards of a single paycheck.
Yeah, I know damned good n well it does. You either have two incomes or free childcare if you're married. That alone alleviates a very significant financial burden for those in lower income brackets and it's pretty damned nice in any but the top few as well. It also means boy children have a present male role model who isn't in jail or abandoning his kids. Seriously, how fucking stupid are you to argue otherwise?
Facts are racist now? Check. I'll stop using them and just call you an SJW cocksucker then.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:15AM
> Facts are racist now?
What facts? All you did was post your own absurdly unresearched opinions.
Get back to us when you actually address the provided citations.
Or is intellectual effort beyond you?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:34AM
The wapo story was an opinion piece. You know, as in emotional positions rather than statements that are provably true.
The one from the atlantic is just irrelevant. What particular too-damned-high-percentage doesn't matter; that it's too damned high does.
I shouldn't have to explain these things to you though. You already know them. You just don't have an actual argument to put in their place because you know I'm right.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @11:39AM
> The wapo story was an opinion piece.
No it wasn't. It was a layman's accessible description of the analysis from the brookings institute.
> The one from the atlantic is just irrelevant.
If your theory is right, then a 50% reduction in out of wedlock births should produce positive results. Instead, racial inequality has increased.
> You know, as in emotional positions rather than statements that are provably true.
Are you being ironic? That's ALL you have. Angry, ignorant, racist stereotypes. No wonder you hate academics, people who actually study these issues with rigor completely contradict your racism. It isn't black culture that has a problem with anti-intellectualism its YOU.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @08:17AM
Yeah, I know damned good n well it does.
All of the same benefits could result from the couple simply remaining together without getting married. People don't have to get married to stay together. Maybe it's just that the type of people who decide to get married are also more likely to want to remain together for a longer period of time. There's plenty of magical thinking tied to a silly concept like marriage, and it also bestows some unjustifiable legal benefits as well.
Yes, it would help if the parents stayed together, but that doesn't require marriage.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by jmorris on Monday August 15 2016, @07:10PM
When the median white family wealth is 13x the median black family wealth the starting lines are not even close to equal.
Factually correct but doesn't matter. They didn't build this civilization so why should they have accumulated generational capital in it? But they are welcome to stay and build some and if they would be willing to do that they would find almost universal support.
If they instead decide America is irredeemably racist and that they would therefore be better off returning to the civilization they were sold off from generations ago, they would again find widespread support for that decision. Let us hold a massive telethon to raise the money to book their passage back. The nation of Liberia was founded for this very purpose.
Any rational mind observing the situation would have to say that it is a far better lot in life's lottery to have been born a poor black child in America than the median in any of their countries of origin but they are free to disagree. That while their great grandparents endured slavery[1] the result is that they themselves were lucky enough to be born here at a time when they are nominally free... to the extent any of still retain the blessing of Liberty in these dark waning hours of our former Republic.
What we won't do is open Pandora's Box of reparations. What we are increasingly unwilling to accept is the insanity of affirmative action on the basis of skin color, where a poor Appalachian thown out of work coal miner's son rates lower on the SJW scale of merit than Will Smith's brat for college admissions. We aren't going to accept riots every time some hood rat does something stupid and gets shot by a cop.
[1] Which was a normal part of the human condition worldwide, and still is in some parts, right up until a group of White people, starting in England, decided differently. The only places where Africans freed themselves from slavery turned into Hells on Earth that persist to the current day.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @07:37PM
> They didn't build this civilization so why should they have accumulated generational capital in it?
In fact slaves did build this civilization. Why do you think the South was so willing to secede? Money. Tons of Fucking Money. On the eve of the Civil War, the slave South had achieved a level of per capita wealth not matched by Spain or Italy until the eve of World War II or by Mexico or India until 1960. One crop, slave-grown cotton, provided over half of all US export earnings. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured goods that laid the basis for American economic growth.
In addition, precisely because the South specialized in cotton production, the North developed a variety of businesses that provided services for the slave South, including textile factories, a meat processing industry, insurance companies, shippers, and cotton brokers. Slavery was the economic engine that created the United States.
You have inadvertently made the best argument for reparations. Good job!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday August 15 2016, @09:37PM
He's a real piece of fucking work, isn't he? I wish that kind of ignorance were excruciatingly painful...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @09:40PM
So you're saying the millions and millions of immigrants after the civil war didn't do shit in helping to build america?
I guess the blacks just did everything back then, and fuck history and the truth. After all, black lies matter.
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/data-hub/charts/immigrant-population-over-time [migrationpolicy.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @10:23PM
All those immigrants wouldn't have come here were it not for what the slaves built.
The USA would have been just another banana republic otherwise.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @09:57PM
Lol. Slaves didn't build shit. They took orders from their masters. If the slaves were so good at creating a society and infrastructure then what the fuck happened to Haiti and the entire continent of Africa?
(Score: 2) by t-3 on Tuesday August 16 2016, @05:00AM
Intentional destabilization by white men with resources.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @09:31PM
Starting wealth not equal? Are you fucking kidding me?
Who taught you American History, because I want to punch them in the face while kicking you in the balls.
How many people migrated to the US after the civil war?
How many of them were poor and worked 16 hour days to give their children better lives.
How many white children have fathers in their lives compared to blacks these days? How many black parents put in the effort needed so that their children will be better off?
My ancestors came to NY in 1909 with nothing. BLM can go fuck themselves. Somehow suggesting hardwork gets you ahead is racist these days. Tell that to my grandfather as he smacks you in the face for being a lazy shit.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Monday August 15 2016, @06:53PM
Who gives a shit if the starting lines are equal? What are those lines again?
That sounds an awful lot like race reparations, which I hear is a new platform element of the BLM. That is just idiocy conflating the actions of great-great-great-great-great-grandparents and their children. Whether true or not, ultimately the destination is the following:
- EdIII - White, but not albino white, or fluorescent. 96% white, so 96% of the race reparations tax for 2018 is $1,532.
- John - Black, and black as a struck match. 100% black, so he will receive 100% of the race reparations tax credit of $5,000 for 2018.
- Halle Berry - Black, closer to coffee with cream. 67% black according to the Pantone-Race-Reparations color sheet, and 100% women according to the womens-reparations-and-making-men-pay-for-all-that-fucking-laundry. Much of that is offset, as she must pay for her 33% whiteness.
There's a huge fucking problem with this that none of the offensive idiots in the BLM can admit too, nor any idiot calling for race reparations. That is that I never performed racism, or specifically, never performed the actions that reparations are supposed apply too. In legal terms, John has no legal standing whatsoever to ask for reparations, and EdIII is absolutely and utterly inappropriate as the defendant having performed them.
Who pays? Who receives? Why?
In it's entirety race reparations is an idiotic journey of racism and making children suffer for the actions of their long dead ancestors. I'll never pay a fucking dime. Those lines are even more stupid, since a stupid offensive fuckstick like Trump (white IIRC), didn't enjoy the same starting lines that you and I had either. So it's ludicrous to compare "starting lines" across racial demographics when those lines are just as prominently found everywhere else in society as well. Either that or BLM believes that multi-generational white trash living up in the hills for the past 100 years has a "starting line" more advantageous than a black youth in some suburban sprawl. The truth is everyone is equally fucked in the starting lines, as only the 1% ever gets ahead anyways, making us fight each other across all the demographics we can delude ourselves into believing.
I'm a huge fan and supporter of MLK (donated for the only edifice in Washington of an honorable man), and I do not believe he believed racism could ever solve racism.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 1) by Eristone on Monday August 15 2016, @09:55PM
Isn't what is going on today making black children suffer for the actions of long dead ancestors?
Actually, yes, that multi-generational white trash living up in the hills have a starting line more advantageous than a black youth in suburban sprawl. Bring that white guy down into the city and he'd blend in with the local white folk (until he opened his mouth.. but we're talking first appearance). Black guy brought in to the city and he's still a black guy. Up until 1965 or so, that white trash guy could still order food from a counter the black suburban raised guy would get arrested for ordering from. Up until the late 80s, that white trash guy could rent an apartment that no black guy would ever be able to rent. Skin color in the U.S. changes the starting line. Yes, there are other factors, but they don't come into play upon first appearance. The white guy could open carry an AR-15 and not get a blink from local law enforcement beyond being asked a couple of questions. The black guy would be on the ground with guns pointed at him for exercising that same right. (link. [youtube.com])
(Score: 2, Insightful) by edIII on Monday August 15 2016, @10:34PM
That would be suffering from what again? Not being fast enough to outrun their fellow countrymen that sold them into slavery a couple hundred years ago? You're missing the big point, and that is everyone who was wronged by slavery IS DEAD . There is nobody to sue that enslaved anyone, and nobody to force to pay money to somebody else, that in turn never suffered from the actions of enslaving anyone in the past.
Answer these questions:
1) What is the specific act I performed, that I've been found guilty of in a court of law by a jury of my peers, that violated the civil rights and dignity of another person based on race? In doing so, how have I have harmed them (specifically), and to what degree, that justifies remuneration?
2) If I've performed no acts, but are simply "mostly the same skin color" as the known offenders (past and/or present), why am I being grouped in with them at all again? Under what legal theory am I grouped with others into this legal battle?
3) If reparations are to be paid, will they come from my taxes? (It's rhetorical, I know)
4) If #3 is yes, than how am I being represented fairly when it's simply been assumed I'm guilty of #1 either directly or by virtue of #2?
NO. I will never be held guilty for the actions of a bunch of greedy fucking Capitalists that formed my country a couple hundred years ago. Certainly not when the ONLY thing you can say is, "But... but... but... EdIII you're a little white so we think you owe this other guy some money because he is a little black". Yeah, you can fuck right off with that specious offensive logic.
Bullshit. Bullshit on so many fucking levels. You really need to go visit the super poor areas where these people live, and you will see they live no better than any poor black family anywhere else. In fact, I've never seen a black family live that poorly unless it was A) In the movies about tougher times in the past, or B) Fucking Africa and an infomercial asking for money. I'm pretty damned certain that *any* child in a suburban sprawl will have a better chance at life than *any* child living in crushing poverty in the rural areas of the country we've forgotten and left to their fates. You've been ridiculous attempting to compare those children and place the black child at a disadvantage regardless.
I see plenty of young black children around that look well-fed. Let me tell you, especially on a scientific basis, that well-fed children have serious advantages in their starting lines. You really think that the 1/4 children suffering from malnutrition in America are 100% black? These starting lines are not simplistically based on race.
You want reparations? Then prepare for civil war to get it, as there is simply no way you're telling that many white people (all of the good, decent, progressive ones too) that they owe money to black people based on offensive shit they never actually did. It's exactly like forcing austerity measures on people that never deserved it in the first place. How do you expect these people to feel good about their world, and themselves, when they live with less because of the color of their skin? How is that reparations, and just revenge instead? How does that not just create a new cycle of racism and subsequent resentment?
*SOME* black people just need to fucking get over the reparations bullshit. There's nobody to take the money from in any way, shape, or form, that can be considered legal, ethical, moral, or anything approaching correct. Now if you can create time travel, well then just maybe, you can go back in time and sue the people truly responsible.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @03:19AM
> NO. I will never be held guilty for the actions of a bunch of greedy fucking Capitalists that formed my country a couple hundred years ago.
If you are not responsible for the sins of the father, then why do you think you deserve the benefits of those sins?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Tuesday August 16 2016, @03:47AM
No child is responsible for the sins of their parents. Period. It's utterly ridiculous to attempt to quantify blame and assign liabilities to people that are long since dead, and shockingly immoral to go after people 200 years later that never even met the accused, or victims. If you think you can come after me for the actions of my ancestors, well, then I have some fucking news for you. Come with plenty of fire power since the ancestors I most identify with are Cherokee and Lakota. Go back in time and the assumption that my apparent whiteness means I simply *must* be the beneficiary of slavery is asinine.
That's why people such as yourself are abhorrently stupid. It's not like we kept racial segregation 100% for the entirety of our societies in the last 300 years. How do you punish (which is what the tax is) somebody for being apparently white, but whose parents are clearly one black and one white? WHY do you feel you get to punish an immigrant from Europe, who looks white, but is in fact descended from slaves themselves?
See. None of it is that simple, as trying to assign blame and benefits based on skin color today for the actions of people many generations back is completely, totally, and utterly stupid. There were black men that needed to be killed because they would never utter their slave name. Well, take a wild fucking guess if this Kunta Kinte is ever going to say the name Toby.
I ain't your Toby, mother fuckers. I won't be paying a bill for shit I never did, and certain as fuck, don't benefit for today. If there are any benefits, they belong to the elites and 1%, and I'm the 99%. Period. If you come to me telling I owe money because I'm white, and for nothing else, then just shoot me. It's the only thing you will be able to do. You won't break me, beat me, or force me to work for you, and the only thing you can do is kill me and steal what I have left. Go for it.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @11:49AM
> Go back in time and the assumption that my apparent whiteness means I simply *must* be the beneficiary of slavery is asinine.
Nope. You live in a country built on the backs of slaves. You don't have to be white to benefit from the status quo.
> It's utterly ridiculous to attempt to quantify blame and assign liabilities to people that are long since dead,
So, by that logic, all the looted nazi gold and art should not be returned to their owner's descendants either, right?
(Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday August 17 2016, @12:41AM
ROFL. You can't be that fucking stupid. You just stated that non-white people have benefited from the "backs of slaves". So how does reparations work again? Take taxes from both whites and non-whites... to pay the non-whites?? If Native Americans benefited... but also suffered.... do they get reparations too?
All you want to do is negotiate a multi-billion dollar shift of money from one group to another based on damages that happened over 200 years ago to neither group of people . You can' get around that, and your attempts to assign blame and benefits to living people based off actions that haven't occurred in the memory of anyone alive is just asinine.
There's nobody to get the reparations from, and as you just admitted yourself, even black people benefited from their own slavery, as well the Native Americans that were here too. You still have not answered that, because you can't. You're left with impotent appeals to emotions, and nothing substantive about determining:
1) Who is going to pay
2) Who is going to be paid
What, Where, Why, When, & How for both #1 & #2. I'm waiting..............
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @02:23PM
> it's ludicrous to compare "starting lines" across racial demographics when those lines are just as prominently found everywhere else in society as well.
Are you an ostrich? Because you are sticking your head in the sand with that argument.
Of course there are plenty of white people who are poor. But being white is not correlated with being poor.
Being black is immensely correlated with being poor. To the point of median white household wealth being 13x greater than median black household wealth. So you are left with two choices - either black people deserve to be poor because they are inferior or they do not deserve it and are poor because of racism. Either you are a racist or society is racist.
Since you claim not to have "performed racism" then you have a choice. Own up to performing racism, or stop covering for other racists. Which is it going to be Ed?
(Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday August 17 2016, @11:49PM
False dichotomy. I could also ask why everyone working a slavery service job deserves to be paid less than a living wage? Do they deserve it? Why? So people who don't support living wages are either bigoted against the working class, or society is bigoted against the working classes.
It's not a claim, and you can go fuck yourself. I'm not racist, and I'm not becoming racist by pointing out the racism in others. It's racist to take money, via taxes, from one person to give to another person, based on race. Evil cannot fix past evils.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.