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posted by on Monday August 15 2016, @11:46AM   Printer-friendly
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After a night of violent protests, Milwaukee residents gathered Sunday evening to mourn an armed man shot to death by police and begin the healing process.

Family and friends of Sylville Smith, 23, held a candlelight vigil at the site of Saturday's shooting in a residential area of North Milwaukee.

The shooting triggered unrest in the city's north side Saturday night as protesters torched businesses and threw rocks at officers. Four officers were injured and 17 people were arrested, Mayor Tom Barrett said.

Tensions on Sunday gave way to calls for peace as activists gathered outside the affected businesses.

Smith's sister, Sherelle Smith, condemned violence carried out in her brother's name, saying the community needs those businesses.

Black Lives Shatter

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/14/us/milwaukee-violence-police-shooting/


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 15 2016, @05:25PM

    You know what I've read now? Go ahead, tell me more on this subject. I'm interested in how I, of all people, listen to talking heads to give me my views. Please let me know which ones they are so I can start paying them any attention at all. Oh, wait, this is coming from someone who got spoon-fed his views from his professor. Project much?

    Starting wealth has nothing to do with anything. In with "correlation is not causation" before you spout some bullshit statistic. Going from rags to riches isn't easy but it is simple. I could give you the recipe in one short paragraph.

    There is one, and only one, significant problem to someone having to grow up black vs growing up white in this day and age: black culture. It is poisonous. The things it teaches them to admire are toxic to any hopes of a successful life. Those who figure this out discard that culture and go on to make something of themselves, by in large. It is also not something that can, or should, be solved by white knights. If you really want to help them, tell them to spend more on their house than on their car. Tell them to marry their baby-mama and raise their fucking kids or tell them to take it in the butt unless they got a ring on their finger. Tell them to go to school and learn something useful. These aren't hateful stereotypes; these are the hard fucking truths about the average black person.

    Get a fucking clue and stop parroting what you "learned" in college.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @05:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @05:39PM (#388285)

    > You know what I've read now?

    Are you being ironic? The guy who goes around falsely telling people what King would think is indignant about being mischaracterized?

    > Starting wealth has nothing to do with anything.

    So now you are denying the very words that King wrote. That only proves beyond the shadow of a doubt that you don't give a damn about King as an authority on the issue, just as only a prop you can co-opt to justify your own views.

    > Get a fucking clue and stop parroting what you "learned" in college.

    Who said I went to college? Go ahead, tell me more on this subject.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 15 2016, @06:14PM

      Falsely only if you do not read anything but what you want to see in King's words.

      As for denying his words, of course I do. King was a great man but he wasn't always correct.

      I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.

      With these words, he hit it out of the park, even if he may not have known it at the time. Not being judged by the color of their skin necessitates equal treatment under the law. Any action taken on their part because of their skin color, harmful or helpful, negates his dream. So King logically contradicted himself and it's left up to us to decide if we prefer equal treatment under the law for all citizens or creating special classes with special rights. You know, the definition of privilege.

      I may have been mistaken about you going to college. It's happened before once or twice. Do please tell me where you got these blatantly racist ideals if it wasn't in college though. I like to know where my enemies are.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @08:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @08:00PM (#388367)

        > With these words, he hit it out of the park, even if he may not have known it at the time.

        He didn't know it at the time, but you are sure it defined his world view. Do you hear yourself?

        The fact that of everything King has written and said, books worth, the only thing you can cite to support your wishful thinking is a single sentence is all the proof anyone needs that you know absolutely nothing else about the man.

        > Do please tell me where you got these blatantly racist ideals if it wasn't in college though.

        Do please tell me, when did you stop beating your wife?

        > I like to know where my enemies are.

        Wow, "enemies." WTH is wrong with you?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @09:54PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @09:54PM (#388423)

          So your comebacks are tired cliches and emotional outbursts?

          Lol. TheMightyBuzzard claims another victim. It's been fun watching from the sidelines but, mon AC, you have been thoroughly trounced. Fight another day as you've lost this one.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @05:54PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @05:54PM (#388291)

    Starting wealth has nothing to do with anything.

    Sounds like an argument for a 100% inheritance tax.
    Who would have guessed it? Buzz is a commie!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @11:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 15 2016, @11:39PM (#388474)

    > black culture. It is poisonous. The things it teaches them to admire are toxic to any hopes of a successful life

    Is that some sort of old man complaint about gangster rap? That went out with tipper gore. If you think "black culture" is anti-intellectual, then you are just repeating talk radio myths without bothering to actually research them. [nytimes.com] This ideology concerning nerds and geeks did not originate in the African-American community, but in predominantly White, middle-class, suburban communities. All races have nerds.

    > tell them to spend more on their house than on their car.

    Are you kidding? When you can't get a mortgage how the fuck are you supposed to spend anything on your house?

    > Tell them to marry their baby-mama and raise their fucking kids or tell them to take it in the butt unless they got a ring on their finger.

    You think that matters? Marriage doesn't make a child's life better, resources make a child's life better. Correlation is not causation. Marriage is just a proxy for having the resources to be able to marry. [washingtonpost.com]

    The actual out of wedlock birthrate for black women is down more 50% from 1970. [theatlantic.com] It is the lowest its ever been since we started measuring. And that hasn't helped economic circumstances in the black community. At the same time the out of wedlock birthrate for white women has more than doubled in the same time period.

    > These aren't hateful stereotypes; these are the hard fucking truths

    That's exactly what they are. Every damn bigot ever has claimed their bigotry was honestly based on "truth." It is the first line in the playbook. Stop parroting what you learned on stormfront.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:03AM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:03AM (#388541) Homepage Journal

      Is that some sort of old man complaint about gangster rap?

      No, it's coming from a guy whose town is half black and from the US Census Bureau.

      Are you kidding? When you can't get a mortgage how the fuck are you supposed to spend anything on your house?

      It's not hard. Here's how not to do it: live in income based housing and have a car nicer than mine with rims that cost upwards of a single paycheck.

      You think that matters? Marriage doesn't make a child's life better, resources make a child's life better. Correlation is not causation. Marriage is just a proxy for having the resources to be able to marry.

      Yeah, I know damned good n well it does. You either have two incomes or free childcare if you're married. That alone alleviates a very significant financial burden for those in lower income brackets and it's pretty damned nice in any but the top few as well. It also means boy children have a present male role model who isn't in jail or abandoning his kids. Seriously, how fucking stupid are you to argue otherwise?

      That's exactly what they are. Every damn bigot ever has claimed their bigotry was honestly based on "truth." It is the first line in the playbook. Stop parroting what you learned on stormfront.

      Facts are racist now? Check. I'll stop using them and just call you an SJW cocksucker then.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:15AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:15AM (#388548)

        > Facts are racist now?

        What facts? All you did was post your own absurdly unresearched opinions.
        Get back to us when you actually address the provided citations.
        Or is intellectual effort beyond you?

        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:34AM

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:34AM (#388561) Homepage Journal

          The wapo story was an opinion piece. You know, as in emotional positions rather than statements that are provably true.

          The one from the atlantic is just irrelevant. What particular too-damned-high-percentage doesn't matter; that it's too damned high does.

          I shouldn't have to explain these things to you though. You already know them. You just don't have an actual argument to put in their place because you know I'm right.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @11:39AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @11:39AM (#388641)

            > The wapo story was an opinion piece.

            No it wasn't. It was a layman's accessible description of the analysis from the brookings institute.

            > The one from the atlantic is just irrelevant.

            If your theory is right, then a 50% reduction in out of wedlock births should produce positive results. Instead, racial inequality has increased.

            > You know, as in emotional positions rather than statements that are provably true.

            Are you being ironic? That's ALL you have. Angry, ignorant, racist stereotypes. No wonder you hate academics, people who actually study these issues with rigor completely contradict your racism. It isn't black culture that has a problem with anti-intellectualism its YOU.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @08:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 16 2016, @08:17AM (#388613)

        Yeah, I know damned good n well it does.

        All of the same benefits could result from the couple simply remaining together without getting married. People don't have to get married to stay together. Maybe it's just that the type of people who decide to get married are also more likely to want to remain together for a longer period of time. There's plenty of magical thinking tied to a silly concept like marriage, and it also bestows some unjustifiable legal benefits as well.

        Yes, it would help if the parents stayed together, but that doesn't require marriage.