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After a night of violent protests, Milwaukee residents gathered Sunday evening to mourn an armed man shot to death by police and begin the healing process.
Family and friends of Sylville Smith, 23, held a candlelight vigil at the site of Saturday's shooting in a residential area of North Milwaukee.
The shooting triggered unrest in the city's north side Saturday night as protesters torched businesses and threw rocks at officers. Four officers were injured and 17 people were arrested, Mayor Tom Barrett said.
Tensions on Sunday gave way to calls for peace as activists gathered outside the affected businesses.
Smith's sister, Sherelle Smith, condemned violence carried out in her brother's name, saying the community needs those businesses.
Black Lives Shatter
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/14/us/milwaukee-violence-police-shooting/
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by jmorris on Monday August 15 2016, @06:43PM
What does BLM want? That violent criminals should get a free pass just because they're black?
Yes. They want police to stop policing in 'black areas' and give them a free pass. They want the prisons emptied of all blacks. They won't say these things openly but it is the only rational policy direction discernible from their demands and actions. It is of course utterly irrational so it isn't said.
Or it is utterly irrational to any K selected mind, makes perfect sense to r types. Random predation by dindu doesn't worry them all that much but any selective pressure does. Random street crime is just random predation, exactly like foxes hunting rabbits, it just is and there is nothing to be done but keep breeding. Police eliminating criminals by jail and gunfire is selective pressure that touches any r type deeply in their subconscious.
Makes even more sense to the people pulling their strings, they just want chaos and fire so they can reforge the world 'closer to their heart's desire.' Look up the Fabian Society and see that their goals match the American Progressives so closely they might as well be the same organization. Hmmm.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday August 15 2016, @09:14PM
This is some Alex-Jones-level crazy here. Much as I clash with Uzzard up there he's at least (mostly) rational. You? You've gone off the damn reservation, probably years ago.
What the hell makes you think humans are r-selected? We're almost the textbook example of K-selected breeders! The rest of your pseudoscientific rant doesn't even make sense from the perspective of r-type (no, not the Bydo...) reproduction: the entire point of the r-selected strategy is to overwhelm a smaller number of predators with a flood of offspring, believing that "well they can't kill ALL of us" as, for example, insects and small rodents do.
The very existence of a movement like BLM is testament to our K-selected strategy; were we truly r-selected, our immediate and visceral reaction would be "eh, no lives matter THAT much, really...". Which means everything that follows this accusation of r-selected breeding by "certain people" is good ol' scientific racism again. Tell us about how, being r-selected, "those people" don't put resources into their kids, don't mind some of them dying off, and are lower-IQ and deserve to be squelched because of it, go on...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Monday August 15 2016, @10:09PM
What the hell makes you think humans are r-selected?
Go read Anonymous Conservative's book for the gory details. Humans actually use both r and K reproductive strategies based on resource abundance. Some people can go either way, early childhood seems very important, others are pretty hard set. And the tendency seems to be highly inheritable. And we in the West have been in abundance for a long time now.
Glenn Beck has had his (actually William Strauss) four cycles of history theory but couldn't/wouldn't propose a mechanism driving it. Anonymous Conservative does and it is horrifyingly clear in both the power to explain and in the long term implications. We go through four basic phases:
K is when civilizations are born from strife, chaos and lack of resources. It breeds hard men who form strong nations. They bring order, hierarchy and laws. These things work every time they are tried and success beings plenty.
K into R is the phase usually described in histories as the flowering of civilizations as resources increase and permit more r types to
survive. Since they also tend to be where you get your highly creative types, as long as the K types maintain a stable order they boost growth of knowledge and the arts.
R is the phase typically described as the decadent phase. Prolonged resource availability keeps increasing the r selected population. The K types begin to lose control and crazy things become normal. -We are Here Now-
R into K is the collapse when the stupidity from r behavior finally overwhelms production and brings on a shortage of resources. Coming soon to a Western Nation near you.
this accusation of r-selected breeding by "certain people" is good ol' scientific racism again
Not really. Hipsters and SJWs are the poster children for r selected behavior just as much as the hood rats they have bred up as a voting bloc. When we tip back toward K, Trigglypuff is going to be toast faster than anyone in the hood.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:30AM
Ah, I see where you're going with this now.
It's not worded properly though. We don't have true r-selection; what you think is it looks more like an overly-successful K-type strategy. We see this among K-selected large mammals all the time; take deer population booms for example. Just because some aspect of this looks, at a shallow glance, something like r-selected breeding, doesn't make it so. If we were actually r-selected, if we really had a "disposable soma" strategy, we'd have about the same attitude toward our kids as a queen ant does to her brood.
And, I can't help but notice, the classic cultural "hooks" for fascism and populism to gain hold are evident in your explanation. The Golden Age, the idea that everything must be fighting and struggle and warfare, the feeling that "those people" are doing anything from holding "the deserving" back to outright stabbing der Volk in the spine, the drooling anticipation of societal collapse (which you OF COURSE, being a good K-type, will come out of as one of the new elite...), all of it. This is all so predictable, and so half-baked. I've seen this memeplex play out over and over and over again through the last 6,000 years of human history.
Here's a better idea: how about we, as intelligent beings, tell mother nature and her abusive pimp Malthus to go cram it with walnuts, figure out thorium fission and thermal solar and tower farms and synergistic desalinization, and stop tearing one another apart?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Tuesday August 16 2016, @05:55AM
Very hard to summarize a 300 page, heavily footnoted book (The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics: How Conservatism and Liberalism Evolved Within Humans - ISBN: 0982947933) in a forum post so let me recommend you follow up with the actual book. But in a nutshell his thesis is that evolution embedded both strategies in humans, environmental triggers to push us toward one or the other and very different psychologies to go with each because they are both the winning strategy at different times. If resources are abundant or new territory is available to expand into, complex social structure, tribal warfare and all that K stuff really is counter productive. Don't fight, go forth and multiply. But the world isn't infinite so we would always hit a limit and K selection would kick back in before we became too degenerate.
But we aren't animals anymore. We have civilization (and now atom bombs) and that vestigial programming is likely to get us killed. It is why every single civilization has went bust, often in very messy ways. If he is right there aren't any good solutions, your suggestion to just science the shit out of things until we have unlimited resources will just get us Idiocracy, where we eventually become so dumb we can't maintain the science keeping us alive. The author(s) really don't have an answer. I think there has to be a way out of the trap but I'm still thinking on it.
And, I can't help but notice, the classic cultural "hooks" for fascism and populism to gain hold are evident in your explanation. The Golden Age, the idea that everything must be fighting and struggle and warfare, the feeling that "those people" are doing anything from holding "the deserving" back to outright stabbing der Volk in the spine, the drooling anticipation of societal collapse (which you OF COURSE, being a good K-type, will come out of as one of the new elite...), all of it.
Reread what I wrote. The high point of a civilization is when both groups are in balance but the K groups is still maintaining order and productivity. But it can't last because they are utterly incompatible and at that point the abundance of resources assures the eventual dominance of the r types, they will simply breed uncontrollably until they win... kinda like what is happening NOW with the wrinkle of science and birth control throwing things slightly off the usual plot but not enough to save us. That is the part that is depressing, the inability to find a way out of the evolutionary trap we are in. The pointless cycle of history that will just keep spinning around and around unless we do manage to figure out a way to beat the trap. Otherwise, as you note, it is going to play out exactly like it has for 6,000 years and counting.
If we were actually r-selected, if we really had a "disposable soma" strategy, we'd have about the same attitude toward our kids as a queen ant does to her brood.
The example r selected animal used in the book is rabbits. They reproduce heedlessly with low parental involvement with only the mother involved, early onset of sexual activity, low attachment to offspring, they almost never fight over mates or territory, etc. Wolves are the K example: highly social, complex structure, very territorial, high parental (both) involvement,later onset of sexuality, emphasis on low number of highly fit offspring capable of survival in a competitive environment and high chance of success in attracting a fit mate.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 16 2016, @04:53PM
You don't actually seem upset about all this so much as annoyed that "those people" (sed s/nigger/r-selected breeders/g -i /mnt/jmorris/racial_theory.sh) are pushing the more "worthy" (read: people like jmorris) out.
I swear to Cthulhu, this whole thing is the same eugenics/Lebensraum propaganda that the elite have been pushing since the late 19th century. It's got all the elements. What's next, are you going to tell me that the putative r-types are life unworthy of life? That only proper K-types deserve to breed or even live? Christ on a Sea-Doo, there's even the classic identification with the "virtuous predator" contrasted with the stupid, useless, and most of all WEAK breeders...fuck 'em, right?
This book you're talking about sounds like the social-Darwinist version of Das Kapital: mostly right about the problems it describes, but wrong in subtle and important ways, and God forbid anyone follow the proposed "solution."
I also disagree very strongly with you that solving the symptoms of these issues through technology will lead to Idiocracy; it's well-documented that birth rate drops with prosperity and especially womens' education. I can't think of a more K-type strategy, in fact, than using tech to bring the material standard of living up. It doesn't, of course, solve the mental and spiritual problems on its own...but it's like people who say money can't buy happiness: that's strictly true but anyone who's ever had to scrounge in a dumpster will tell you it buys security and peace of mind, which allows you to pursue happiness.
Plus, remember, we're a social species. We're all connected at some level, even if Dunbar's Number limits us to about 150 people we can concretely care for. We're capable of agape, which you can think of as transcending that number if only in an abstract way. Especially now that we can communicate almost instantly across the internet. Why not encourage this to follow to its proper conclusion?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Tuesday August 16 2016, @06:07PM
so much as annoyed that "those people"
Of course I hate them. I'm rational. :) Burning yer own shit because you are mad is so dumb there are few words in human tongues to describe it.
What's next, are you going to tell me that the putative r-types are life unworthy of life? That only proper K-types deserve to breed or even live?
Well all of our social and moral codes are K selected. But if you would read the whole book and not attempts to summarize it on a web forum.... You would find the truth to be even worse. There isn't any simple answer, even if the K selected types could overcome their altruistic impulse to aid anyone in their in group and 'do the hard thing' and wipe/drive out the r selected folk it wouldn't help. Remember where almost everyone carries both sets of genes and environmental triggers in early childhood control which dominate? Every time civilization succeeds it creates safety and excess resources, and because K selected people are high investment child rearers.... guess what happens next? HInt: Britney Spears rocks in the new Century dancing on a pole with a snake is what.
More Science is where the only hope seems to be, if we understood the mechanism better we might be able to adopt child rearing customs intentionally designed to create the proper environment to bring on more K selection even if the society isn't living on the ragged edge of war, famine and general lack of resources.
Das Kapital: mostly right about the problems it describes, but wrong in subtle and important ways..
No excuse for not actually reading enough of Marx to avoid saying things like that. Marx is not wrong in subtle ways; He is obviously wrong from fifty pages in, starting with his Labor Theory of Value and everything else rests weakly on that bad foundation. It wears the cloak of Science but is purely a work of political philosophy. Anybody who got taken in by that old fraud wanted to believe. Envy is a powerful motivator in weak minds.
Or maybe I'm just suupar smart and stuff? But I didn't fall for Marx, didn't fall for Jesus and even avoided the Ayn Rand trap. Those three get 99% of folks. Same for Moldbug, some of his stuff is great but some of it..... needs work. They all have useful things to teach but all of them have obvious flaws if you are looking for them.
Which is why I liked Anonymous Conservative, he/they admit the limits of where the Science can currently take their work. It is why there is no solution proposed though. His book is an attempt to explore the current state of the art in Science applied to humans and limits itself to where the rest of the scientific community could go if they weren't afraid. There is probably a reason the author is "Anonymous Conservative" after all. The footnotes tend to point to science and history, not political and philosophical tracts.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 16 2016, @06:22PM
Keep telling yourself that. You're still fatally and permanently stuck in an egoistic mode of thinking, and NO solution scientific or otherwise is going to solve THAT. The irony here is just sickening...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...