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posted by janrinok on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the troll-on-trolling dept.

Paraphrasing an article by Time Magazine's Joel Stein:

The Internet's personality has changed -- once it was like a geek with lofty ideals about the free flow of information. Now the web is a sociopath with Asperger's. [ Submitter's note: the "Sociopath with Asperger's" comment is not my addition, but a verbatim phrase in the source article ]

The people who relish their online freedom to act under influence of the online disinhibition effect are called "trolls." Trolling is, overtly, a political fight; but it has become the main tool of the alt-right, an Internet-grown reactionary movement that works for men's rights and against immigration. They derisively call their adversaries "social justice warriors" and believe that liberal interest groups purposely exploit their weaknesses to gain pity, which allows them to control the leverage of political power.

When sites are overrun by trolls, they drown out the voices of women, ethic and religious minorities, gays -- anyone who might feel vulnerable. The alt-right argues that if you can't handle opprobrium, you should just turn off your computer. But that's arguing against self-expression, something antithetical to the original values of the Internet.

The article closes with a description of an exchange between Stein and a detractor. In meeting the detractor in real-life, he was surprised by her lack of bravado, to which she responds, "The Internet is the realm of the coward. These are people who are all sound and no fury."

Stein ruminates in response, "Maybe. But maybe, in the information age, sound is as destructive as fury."


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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by cubancigar11 on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:49AM

    by cubancigar11 (330) on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:49AM (#390421) Homepage Journal

    That's the title of the article. Thanks for letting us know about yourself.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:52AM

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:52AM (#390423) Journal

    How are you defining "SJW?" Do you mean it in its true sense, that being the ridiculous Tumblrinas that invent things to be offended about, or are you another one of those dork--pardon me, *dark* enlightenment types who thinks they invented selfishness and that anyone left of Rand is untermenschen unworthy of life?

    (I already know the answer, but I wanna see it right from the jackass's mouth, as it were...).

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    I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
    • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:09AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:09AM (#390433) Journal

      Leave Cuban alone! He's just like Britanny! Fragile! He does not want to explain himself, he just want to be banned! Then we will all see the violence inherent in the system! Then he can say, "See, I told you! Ban-happy SJWs!" Except, of course, evidently, we cannot ban poor cubancigar. All we can do is mod him down and hope some readers will not read him and spread his shame. Encouraging him to explain more will only end up like the troll in the FA, a normal person, but one with issues, and chemical imbalances, and one who we will have to accept as one of us, and assist on his path to becoming a more normal, more liberal, more justicy person.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:45AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:45AM (#390485) Journal

        Just to set the tone, I have modded no one in this thread down. We are all here to help us all be better Soylentils. Let's keep this in mind. Cuban needs our help. Do not retaliate. Cuban needs our love.

    • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:09AM

      by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:09AM (#390434) Journal

      I suppose I must also await the response. If I know you, my opinion is the other possibility, but I may be proven wrong. Rand may be tangential to the matter. At the very least, you've shown me before that you have some very good positions as concerns men's rights, and I for one haven't helped. Granted that MRAs can be equally wacky as TERFs.

      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:29AM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:29AM (#390449) Journal

        If I know him, he'll conveniently disappear and never respond to that little challenge. After all, terms like "SJW" are snarl words, used for their impact on the R-complex rather than the cerebral cortex, and making the user actually *explain* what they mean makes the people watching have to *think,* at which point they realize what kind of memetic conjob was played on them and leave in disgust.

        I think what pisses me off the most about people like him is that they genuinely think everyone else is as solipsistic and shortsighted and self-absorbed as they are :/

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        I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
        • (Score: 3, Informative) by edIII on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:57AM

          by edIII (791) on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:57AM (#390465)

          I knew right from the title, and the TFS, that a critical shortage of warm fuzzies would be present here. I was right :)

          This thread need a hug. *HUG*

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          • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:26AM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:26AM (#390477) Journal

            This thread need a hug. *HUG*

            *HUG* back, edIII! Wasn't it that great big SJW Friederich Nietzsche that said: "When you hug a thread, the thread hugs you!" Maybe not. Or only in the Soviet Union. YMMV.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by cubancigar11 on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:17AM

      by cubancigar11 (330) on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:17AM (#390501) Homepage Journal

      (I already know the answer, but I wanna see it right from the jackass's mouth, as it were...).

      So you apparently know me, enough to call me jackass, and expect me to explain myself to you. And I had the bad luck of reading rest of whatever you wrote:

      solipsistic and shortsighted and self-absorbed

      Gee... and you are surprised I leave conversations in the middle.

      Rand? Tumblr? The whole world doesn't run around the american fads, you know?

      How are you defining "SJW?"

      Here is the subject of my original comment: "I will just leave this here" Because I am well aware of language mismatch when a party is married to a "cause". You can't have a civil discussion without an open mind, and I don't see any civility in this discussion.

      Here is what ESR has to say about SJW:

      He knows who these people are: SJWs, “Social Justice Warriors”. And, unless you have been living under a rock, so do you. These are the people – the political and doctrinal tendency, united if in no other way by an elaborate shared jargon and a seething hatred of djangoconcardiff’s “white straight male”, who recently hounded Nobel laureate Tim Hunt out of his job with a fraudulent accusation of sexist remarks.

      There is nothing I can add to whatever that article says.

      • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:53AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:53AM (#390516) Journal

        Here is what ESR has to say about SJW:

        Oh, fuque it, Cuban! You just doubled down! I cannot read anything where the entry is SJW, and certainly cannot read anything prefaced by Erectile Subperformance Republican! I mean, the man is a sexually harrassing pedophilic coward who has a Patron account! How could you possibly have any idea that quoting ESR would have any cred here at all? The man has not written any code for at least 20 years. He shit his pants after 9/11. And now he is unemployed and seeking socialized medical insurance. Pathetic.

        I wish we could ban you, cubancigar, so you could be happy. But this is SoylentNews, we have a different method of dealing with batshit-crazy right-wing nut-jobs. It is not neat, it does take longer, and will require more work on your part. So what was that about White Males? You forgot "Christian". Do we need to call in Runaway to help? You still have not explained what is to be reviled about Social Justice Warriors.

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by linuxrocks123 on Saturday August 20 2016, @12:25PM

          by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Saturday August 20 2016, @12:25PM (#390553) Journal

          The man has not written any code for at least 20 years.

          https://github.com/eric-s-raymond [github.com]

          Your commitment to truth rivals that of Donald Trump.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:32PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:32PM (#390586)

            And what about everything else aris wrote? ESR's checkins are really the least of his complaints.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:07PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:07PM (#390596)

          "I won't read anything that challenges my beliefs."

          • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:52PM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:52PM (#390625) Journal

            "I won't read anything that challenges my beliefs."

            Oh, if only anything that starts with "SJW" could challenge mine, or anyone's, beliefs! So to be clear, this is not a matter of ignorance, it is a surfeit of knowledge, knowledge gained from hard experience. Many times in the past I thought I might find something to challenge beliefs in writing that contained "SJW", but sadly I only got spittle on me from the foaming mouths of a deranged far right. It was like reading Mein Kampf expecting to learn something besides a historical context. Hmm. "Mein Drumpf"?

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @08:49PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @08:49PM (#390705)

            Anyone actually interested in debate wouldn't be using terms designed to shut down debate, like "SJW", from the start.