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posted by janrinok on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:18AM   Printer-friendly
from the troll-on-trolling dept.

Paraphrasing an article by Time Magazine's Joel Stein:

The Internet's personality has changed -- once it was like a geek with lofty ideals about the free flow of information. Now the web is a sociopath with Asperger's. [ Submitter's note: the "Sociopath with Asperger's" comment is not my addition, but a verbatim phrase in the source article ]

The people who relish their online freedom to act under influence of the online disinhibition effect are called "trolls." Trolling is, overtly, a political fight; but it has become the main tool of the alt-right, an Internet-grown reactionary movement that works for men's rights and against immigration. They derisively call their adversaries "social justice warriors" and believe that liberal interest groups purposely exploit their weaknesses to gain pity, which allows them to control the leverage of political power.

When sites are overrun by trolls, they drown out the voices of women, ethic and religious minorities, gays -- anyone who might feel vulnerable. The alt-right argues that if you can't handle opprobrium, you should just turn off your computer. But that's arguing against self-expression, something antithetical to the original values of the Internet.

The article closes with a description of an exchange between Stein and a detractor. In meeting the detractor in real-life, he was surprised by her lack of bravado, to which she responds, "The Internet is the realm of the coward. These are people who are all sound and no fury."

Stein ruminates in response, "Maybe. But maybe, in the information age, sound is as destructive as fury."


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by cubancigar11 on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:17AM

    by cubancigar11 (330) on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:17AM (#390501) Homepage Journal

    (I already know the answer, but I wanna see it right from the jackass's mouth, as it were...).

    So you apparently know me, enough to call me jackass, and expect me to explain myself to you. And I had the bad luck of reading rest of whatever you wrote:

    solipsistic and shortsighted and self-absorbed

    Gee... and you are surprised I leave conversations in the middle.

    Rand? Tumblr? The whole world doesn't run around the american fads, you know?

    How are you defining "SJW?"

    Here is the subject of my original comment: "I will just leave this here" Because I am well aware of language mismatch when a party is married to a "cause". You can't have a civil discussion without an open mind, and I don't see any civility in this discussion.

    Here is what ESR has to say about SJW:

    He knows who these people are: SJWs, “Social Justice Warriors”. And, unless you have been living under a rock, so do you. These are the people – the political and doctrinal tendency, united if in no other way by an elaborate shared jargon and a seething hatred of djangoconcardiff’s “white straight male”, who recently hounded Nobel laureate Tim Hunt out of his job with a fraudulent accusation of sexist remarks.

    There is nothing I can add to whatever that article says.

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  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:53AM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 20 2016, @06:53AM (#390516) Journal

    Here is what ESR has to say about SJW:

    Oh, fuque it, Cuban! You just doubled down! I cannot read anything where the entry is SJW, and certainly cannot read anything prefaced by Erectile Subperformance Republican! I mean, the man is a sexually harrassing pedophilic coward who has a Patron account! How could you possibly have any idea that quoting ESR would have any cred here at all? The man has not written any code for at least 20 years. He shit his pants after 9/11. And now he is unemployed and seeking socialized medical insurance. Pathetic.

    I wish we could ban you, cubancigar, so you could be happy. But this is SoylentNews, we have a different method of dealing with batshit-crazy right-wing nut-jobs. It is not neat, it does take longer, and will require more work on your part. So what was that about White Males? You forgot "Christian". Do we need to call in Runaway to help? You still have not explained what is to be reviled about Social Justice Warriors.

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by linuxrocks123 on Saturday August 20 2016, @12:25PM

      by linuxrocks123 (2557) on Saturday August 20 2016, @12:25PM (#390553) Journal

      The man has not written any code for at least 20 years.

      https://github.com/eric-s-raymond [github.com]

      Your commitment to truth rivals that of Donald Trump.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:32PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @03:32PM (#390586)

        And what about everything else aris wrote? ESR's checkins are really the least of his complaints.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:07PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @04:07PM (#390596)

      "I won't read anything that challenges my beliefs."

      • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by aristarchus on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:52PM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday August 20 2016, @05:52PM (#390625) Journal

        "I won't read anything that challenges my beliefs."

        Oh, if only anything that starts with "SJW" could challenge mine, or anyone's, beliefs! So to be clear, this is not a matter of ignorance, it is a surfeit of knowledge, knowledge gained from hard experience. Many times in the past I thought I might find something to challenge beliefs in writing that contained "SJW", but sadly I only got spittle on me from the foaming mouths of a deranged far right. It was like reading Mein Kampf expecting to learn something besides a historical context. Hmm. "Mein Drumpf"?

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @08:49PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 20 2016, @08:49PM (#390705)

        Anyone actually interested in debate wouldn't be using terms designed to shut down debate, like "SJW", from the start.