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posted by n1 on Sunday August 21 2016, @01:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the he's-been-rubled dept.

Paul Manafort, the chairman of Donald Trump's presidential campaign who has been linked to a pro-Russia lobbying scandal, has resigned.

[...] Manafort has drawn fire for millions of dollars in undisclosed payments he allegedly received for lobbying efforts on behalf of a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party.

[...] The documents allegedly show funds allocated to Manafort totalling more than $12.7m between November 2007 and October 2012. But the agency emphasised that it had not determined whether Manafort had actually received that money.

Al Jazeera


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Snotnose on Sunday August 21 2016, @05:01AM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday August 21 2016, @05:01AM (#390900)

    It's honestly a race to the bottom with both HRC and Trump, neither have any business being in the running. Sure wish the media would start looking at Johnson and Stein, give voters a real choice.

    This is the ideal year for a third party candidate to save our bacon, cuz with either HRC or Trump we're fucked. IMHO Stein is a nutjob, she's still better than HRC or Trump. I prefer Johnson.

    What's really sad is HRC is so enmeshed with business as usual she doesn't get that the average person thinks that what she considers normal, the average person thinks you should go to jail. I honestly don't think she thinks she's corrupt, no matter how much evidence that she is is presented.

    Trump. What is there to say. A buffoon. He makes his money by structuring deals such that when things go good he gets the money. When things go bad someone else takes the shaft. He doesn't want to release his tax returns because he's worth maybe 10% of what he says he is.

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  • (Score: 2) by timbim on Sunday August 21 2016, @06:23AM

    by timbim (907) on Sunday August 21 2016, @06:23AM (#390921)

    Yeah Stein is the real nutjob that graduated magna cum laude from Harvard University.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Snotnose on Sunday August 21 2016, @06:39AM

      by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday August 21 2016, @06:39AM (#390925)

      And still thinks vaccines cause autism.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @07:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @07:12AM (#390932)

        [Citation Needed]

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @12:01PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @12:01PM (#390997)

          She plays the anti-vax game with plausible deniability. [washingtonpost.com] She says she's pro-vax, for example:
          "I think there’s no question that vaccines have been absolutely critical in ridding us of the scourge of many diseases — smallpox, polio, etc. So vaccines are an invaluable medication,"

          But then she goes around repeating anti-vax tropes like:
          "There were concerns among physicians about what the vaccination schedule meant, the toxic substances like mercury which used to be rampant in vaccines. There were real questions that needed to be addressed. I think some of them at least have been addressed. I don’t know if all of them have been addressed."

          The fundamental issue with anti-vaxxers is a lack of trust in the people doing the science. So statements like the above are central to anti-vaxxer ideology. Whatever her actual beliefs, she's willing to use anti-vax rhetoric on the record.

    • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday August 21 2016, @06:42AM

      by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday August 21 2016, @06:42AM (#390927)

      Don't get me wrong, Stein would be much better than HRC or Trump. But not as good as Johnson.

      Her stance on vaccines is scary, but I can live with being scared like that.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @07:15AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @07:15AM (#390933)
        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday August 21 2016, @09:24AM

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 21 2016, @09:24AM (#390961) Journal
          Supposedly she's dog whistling by sending "coded phrases" [forbes.com] for the anti-vax part of the Green Party. For example:

          There were "legitimate questions at the time" about the use of the chemical thimerosal, she continued, saying, "But I understand that the thimerosal has been taken out of the vaccines and it’s no longer an issue."

          or

          That takes us to the second autism-related front where Stein doesn’t shine. She has characterized autism as an "epidemic," a term that erroneously implies that a developmental condition is somehow an infectious disease, and a term that is a well-known favorite of those who want to blame vaccines for increased autism prevalence. Anyone who has even a passing involvement in the autism community knows how fraught that word is.

          I'll point out that Gary Johnson is also in the same political boat because there is an anti-vax wing of the libertarians too. It sounds like he's managed to keep quiet on the issue altogether aside from opposing mandatory vaccinations.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @10:42AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @10:42AM (#390975)

            What on earth is your problem with that first sentence you quote? Do you think vaccines are perfect and there are no side effects? The real world doesn't operate in binary...

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday August 22 2016, @07:39PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 22 2016, @07:39PM (#391836) Journal

              Do you think vaccines are perfect and there are no side effects?

              Two things to note here. First, this is a claim by someone other than me (I was answering a question by quoting not stating a personal opinion).

              Second, there is a real question here though it's pretty low grade. Why publicly express concerns about vaccines containing thimerosal, especially when that's not actually a real problem as the linked article notes? Answer: to placate your anti-vax contingent by demonstrating that you're listening to their concerns, but without committing to something that kills people. I don't see any sane politician behaving differently. Sure, she might actually believe some of the worst of the anti-vaxxer beliefs, but I think it more likely that she's being attacked by the Democrats in order to scare voters back to voting for Clinton.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @02:46PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 21 2016, @02:46PM (#391032)

            She has characterized autism as an "epidemic," a term that erroneously implies that a developmental condition is somehow an infectious disease

            Or maybe she's using the term not as a pedant, but as it's commonly used. For example, search for the phrase "heart disease epidemic." Are all those hits implying that you can catch heart disease from a carrier?