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posted by takyon on Monday August 22 2016, @11:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the shhhhh dept.

A former US Navy Seal who wrote a bestseller about his role in the raid that killed Osama Bin Laden is to pay nearly $7m (£5m) to the government for violating non-disclosure agreements.

Matt Bissonette failed to get clearance from the Pentagon before the book No Easy Day was published in 2012.

He has agreed to forfeit all profits and royalties, as well as film rights and speaking fees.

In exchange, the government will dismiss other liability claims.

Source: BBC News


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  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @12:25PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @12:25PM (#391584)

    > he's lucky he wasn't prosecuted for exposing classified information.
    > Now, if the government would only go after Hillary. Just take away her damned foundation, and make a deal with her to withdraw from public life.

    You are right, it is totally the same thing. 3 email messages that contained lines from her own phone schedule, at least two of which were improperly still marked with a "(C)" despite having been declassified, is the entire basis of the clinton foundation. That bitch! Lock her up!!!

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @01:42PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @01:42PM (#391609)

    You are right, it is totally the same thing. 3 email messages that contained lines from her own phone schedule

    ... among ~107 other known-classified-when-sent emails, along with seven email chains containing Special Access Program information.

    If you disagree with this, you're not disagreeing with me, but with James Comey's public statements [youtube.com].

    Hillary Clinton and pals were "extremely careless [youtube.com]" (aka grossly negligent) in their handling of classified information, appear to have broken federal law [cornell.edu] on the matter (18 USC 793 (f)), and now serve as examples that the Rule of Law is well and truly dead as any working-class peon in the same circumstances would already be rotting in federal prison.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @01:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @01:49PM (#391615)

      > among ~107 other known-classified-when-sent emails, along with seven email chains containing Special Access Program information.

      Yes classified-when-sent-to-her

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 22 2016, @02:08PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 22 2016, @02:08PM (#391629) Journal

        Right - and the State Department doesn't have the authority to arbitrarily remove classifications. That is, Hillary had no authority to remove classifications, and/or classified markings.

        Couple that with the fact that the Clinton Foundation benefitted from a few gentle words here and there from the shrew herself, and only a blind person or a fool can fail to see corruption in office.

        Remember, the world had largely forgotten about Bill until Hillary was appointed to office. Then, he became valuable, because he could tell Hillary what to say to whom, to be rewarded with astounding bribery sums.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @02:36PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @02:36PM (#391646)

          > Right - and the State Department doesn't have the authority to arbitrarily remove classifications.

          No one is saying she did.
          Well, it seems you are saying that she did.
          But no one in a position to know is saying that.

          The people who sent her unmarked classified material didn't even have security clearances. Who gave it to them?

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 22 2016, @02:52PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 22 2016, @02:52PM (#391655) Journal

            There are several instances in which Hillary and/or her immediate cohorts directed people to remove markings. I'm not doing the searches, sorry. "I can't send that to an unsecured account because it's secret." "Well, just remove the secret stamp from it!"

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:12PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:12PM (#391667)

              >>> the State Department doesn't have the authority to arbitrarily remove classifications.
              >
              > There are several instances in which Hillary and/or her immediate cohorts directed people to remove markings.

              That's factually true, but deliberately misleading.

              The important word you used is arbitrary.
              Those directions were not arbitrary. Removing classified markings is a standard part of the santization process. [wikipedia.org] As a subject matter expert I did it myself on a regular basis.

              So now we are at the point where you have been presented with facts.
              Will you change your mind because you are rational?
              Or will you retrench even more strongly in your false beliefs? [youarenotsosmart.com]

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 22 2016, @03:21PM

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 22 2016, @03:21PM (#391674) Journal

                The authority to "sanitize" a secret document lies with the originating agency, right? The State Department didn't generate those documents. No authority to "sanitize" or otherwise alter the secret documents.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:28PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:28PM (#391681)

                  > The authority to "sanitize" a secret document lies with the originating agency, right?

                  No. You are confusing sanitization with declassification. But its also irrelevant because...

                  > The State Department didn't generate those documents.

                  That's incorrect too.

                  Are you now through trying to retrench and ready to accept the facts?

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 22 2016, @05:55PM

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 22 2016, @05:55PM (#391753) Journal

                    No, I'm not retrenching - it's you who has decided that Hillary has done no wrong. Those documents DID NOT all belong to State.

                    And, why are you even nitpicking? No INDIVIDUAL PERSON has the right to decide what is classified, and what is not. It's a department thing. There are procedures to follow. Protocols must be followed, or you have exactly what Hillary generated - chaos.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:08PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:08PM (#391761)

                      > No INDIVIDUAL PERSON has the right to decide what is classified, and what is not.

                      That's why prepared classified documents usually include internal (C) markers on each classified item.

                      But more broadly you don't know what you are talking about. You've clearly never sanitized a classified document in your life. Probably never even handled one.

                      Absolutely none of the evidence supports your beliefs, but the backlash effect is operating on all cylinders.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 23 2016, @12:52AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 23 2016, @12:52AM (#391952)

                        crickets...

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:18PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:18PM (#391672)

              "I can't send that to an unsecured account because it's secret." "Well, just remove the secret stamp from it!"

              If you are referring to the "make it a nonpaper" email that several news (mainly conservative) agencies keep quoting... you do realize that making something a non-paper is one of the legitimate ways of making classified information unclassified, right?

              It is unusual to use such a technique for internal working documents rather than correspondence with foreign governments, but it isn't per say improper handling of classified information.

              It's also a moot point in that the documents in question were never actually sent via unclassified channels so at worst there was only mens res in that case and no actual res. Are we in favor of thought crime now?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:04PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:04PM (#391726)

                salve. "per se" et "mens rea," quod est totum.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:04PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:04PM (#391760)

                turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure [wikileaks.org]

                Nope, the only reason to state this in such a manner is if classified information was being sent (illegally) over a non-secured channel. If the data sent was unclassified, there's no reason not to just send it via unclassified channels, and it would have no "identifying heading" e.g. classified markings.

                Of course, we should just give Hillary the benefit of the doubt - after all, she's been so rigorously honest, particularly over the past four years or so... (/sarcasm)

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:18PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:18PM (#391770)

                  Here's the thing about your (and runaway's) line of reasoning —

                  If your understanding of events were correct, that would be the smoking gun that the FBI would need for an indictment. That would be proof of the willful lawbreaking that the FBI explicitly said they did not find. Not carelessness, deliberate law-breaking.

                  They looked at exactly the same documents you are looking at. And they did not see what you are seeing.
                  You, with no experience handling classified information, are able to recognize something that the FBI investigators, whose daily work involves handling classified documents, can not recognize.

                  And that's plausible?
                  No. Its witch-hunt logic. You know that bitch is guilty so you latch onto anything you think fits that narrative. And when it turns it doesn't mean what you need it to mean, all you can do is double down on it. Because the alternative is admitting that is bitch is not guilty. So maybe she's not a bitch...

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:30PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:30PM (#391784)

                    There are at least two avenues in this matter for indicting Hillary Clinton on criminal charges:

                    1. "extremely careless [youtube.com]" is synonymous with "gross negligence [cornell.edu]", which when it comes to the handling of classified data by clearance holders, is a federal crime.
                    2. Falure to report the mishandling of classified data is a federal crime for clearance holders. [cornell.edu]

                    Assuming Comey isn't a crook himself, he presumably didn't want to end up like Vince Foster: "killed himself" with two shots to the neck/head without a gun being anywhere around the site where his body was found.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:36PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:36PM (#391789)

                      > Vince Foster

                      I think that's all the confirmation anyone needs that you are operating under witch-hunt logic.
                      And I can't argue with that logic!

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:41PM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:41PM (#391800)

                        Naturally you can't argue with facts and the truth - the truth wins out over lies when both are exposed to scrutiny and the lies break down.

                        Of course, what difference at this point does it make?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:17PM (#391671)

        So what you're saying is that since somebody can't control what somebody else sends to them, it's probably a good idea to maintain a clear separation between work and personal and do all work stuff on authorized systems. It would also be prudent, I would think, but not having a security clearance myself somebody feel free to correct me, if classified information is received on the personal account to follow the policies and procedures to report that.

        I don't know. Like I said, I don't have a security clearance. So I'm probably just an idiot spouting off crap on the internet.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @03:24PM (#391675)

          Whether uncleared people send you classified material at your office email server or your own email server makes no practical difference. Both systems are unclassified, and in both cases the email was sent to you unencrypted over the public internet.

          So nope, that's not what I am saying at all.

          > So I'm probably just an idiot spouting off crap on the internet.

          I am definitely saying that.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:14PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:14PM (#391731)

            GP here. Ah ok. My next question is then, are there procedures in place for receiving classified information? Were they followed?

            As a crypto-nerd, it does generally frustrate me that people continue to send sensitive information over email without encryption.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:43PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:43PM (#391748)

              > My next question is then, are there procedures in place for receiving classified information? Were they followed?

              When classified information is discovered on an unclassified system there is a full-blown process for tracing its distribution and scrubbing (if not out-right destroying) any contaminated systems.

              However, and this is key, that requires recognition of the information's classified status. If its unmarked, as was the case with all of the email that clinton received, it is unrealistic to expect her to recognize it as classified. That's especially true of the stuff sourced from signals intelligence because it is often classified to avoid revealing sources, not the content irself. For example, information collected on a wiretap may not be sensitive at all, but the wiretap itself is top secret. If you just see the information without mention of the wiretap you won't know its classified - only the people whose conversation was tapped would recognize the existence of the wiretap from disclosure of the information discussed in the tapped conversation.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:35PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:35PM (#391787)

                For example, information collected on a wiretap may not be sensitive at all, but the wiretap itself is top secret

                Dead wrong. The very existence of the information produced from a wiretap could be used to discover the wiretap, which is why information from/about HUMINT sources is classified so highly.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:09PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @06:09PM (#391764)

          It would also be prudent, I would think, [...] if classified information is received on the personal account to follow the policies and procedures to report that.

          Not just prudent - failure for a clearance-holder to report mishandled classified info even if they're the one to receive it via an improper channel is a federal crime

          Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

          Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

          from 18 USC 793 (f) [cornell.edu]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:55PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 22 2016, @05:55PM (#391754)

        Yes classified-when-sent-to-her

        Irrelevant. When classified information is moved outside of proper, secured areas, it is the duty of clearance holders to report the mishandled classified data immediately - failure to do so is a federal crime.

        I already posted the link and cited the section in the grandparent, but since you ignored it the first time, here it is again: 18 USC 793 (f) [cornell.edu]

        Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

        Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

        I'm ready for Hillary's ten years!

    • (Score: 2) by gidds on Wednesday August 24 2016, @12:29PM

      by gidds (589) on Wednesday August 24 2016, @12:29PM (#392543)

      Could anyone explain to this non-American what all the fuss is over these supposed emails?

      From the outside, it looks like the sort of pointless criticism they fall back on when they can't find anything substantial.

      I could see why people might disagree with Hillary's politics, with the people she chooses to appoint, with her potential conflicts of interest, with what she's likely to do if she gets into power, and especially with what the practical effects might be on ordinary people (which is really what people should be basing their vote on).  But to concentrate on something so apparently petty and inconsequential seems little more than childish name-calling.

      In fact, it seems directly comparable to all the claims that Obama's ineligible for President because of where he was born (or some such).  (The main difference being that, AIUI, those claims have been disproved many times, while the email issue seems less clear-cut.)

      Do people seriously think that by harping on about these emails, that fewer people will vote for her?  Or is it just an (ineffectual) way of venting their frustrations with her party affiliation or other qualities?

      --
      [sig redacted]
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 23 2016, @09:02AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 23 2016, @09:02AM (#392047)

    Have you even looked through the 15k new emails that were discovered?

    We're really really super sure this time that we gave over all the documents the court asked for, promise.