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posted by cmn32480 on Wednesday August 24 2016, @03:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the mmmmmmmm-lunch! dept.

In 2013, 81.1 percent of U.S. mothers said they started out breast-feeding their baby. That's up from 75 percent in 2008, and 70 percent in 2000, according to the CDC.

[...] 52 percent of U.S. mothers said they were still breast-feeding their infants when the babies were 6 months old, and 30 percent said they were still breast-feeding when the babies reached 1 year.

How should society handle breastfeeding in public and the workplace? Should there be any restrictions on the age of the child?

Breastfeeding has obvious benefits for a child's development, but breast milk is also a fluid of the body that can carry disease.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-still-breastfeeds-daughter-aged-4881835

http://www.livescience.com/55846-breast-feeding-mothers-united-states.html


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  • (Score: 2, Disagree) by schad on Wednesday August 24 2016, @04:13PM

    by schad (2398) on Wednesday August 24 2016, @04:13PM (#392635)

    The mere fact that something has been done for a long time doesn't prove or even imply that it's better than modern alternatives. All it does is prove that it's no more harmful to the chances of successful reproduction than the alternatives.

    In this case, the only pre-modern alternative to breast feeding was... nothing. It doesn't take much to beat death. I suppose we could have evolved to vomit half-digested food into the mouths of our children, but evolution isn't really under our conscious control. We evolved to breast feed; that was good enough for us not to go extinct. The end.

    I can't speak to what things were like in the 70s and 80s. But today, there is an absolutely insane amount of pressure on women to breast feed. Not just to do it, but to enjoy it. If you don't enjoy breast feeding, basically, you're a monster. There is something terribly wrong with you. You have post-partum depression, or you're selfish and impatient, or you're too lazy to try to make it work properly -- and those latter two reasons mean you shouldn't be permitted to have kids, you disgusting, reprehensible, utter failure of a woman.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday August 24 2016, @04:49PM

    by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday August 24 2016, @04:49PM (#392654)

    The mere fact that something has been done for a long time doesn't prove or even imply that it's better than modern alternatives.

    Quite true. However, decades of research do in fact imply that in this case, breastfeeding is better.

    But today, there is an absolutely insane amount of pressure on women to breast feed.

    Based on said decades of research that have determined that breastfeeding is good for the baby and probably good for mom too. As for enjoying it, all I can say is that every mother I've known whose breastfed their children enjoyed it most of the time.

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    • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Wednesday August 24 2016, @05:41PM

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Wednesday August 24 2016, @05:41PM (#392686) Journal

      But today, there is an absolutely insane amount of pressure on women to breast feed.

      Based on said decades of research that have determined that breastfeeding is good for the baby and probably good for mom too.

      Yes, but in the grand scheme of things you can do to ensure better outcomes for your baby, breastfeeding's benefits aren't really very strong. The proven effects for breast milk are even less, yet how many young mothers spend time nowadays stressing out with a breast pump rather than spending that time holding and interacting with their child (which almost certainly has more benefits than the breast milk itself). There are a number of recent studies, in fact, which suggest that most of the "benefits" of breastfeeding are potentially due to sample bias. (See my post above.)

    • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Thursday August 25 2016, @01:51PM

      by jdavidb (5690) on Thursday August 25 2016, @01:51PM (#392990) Homepage Journal
      I will say the pressure is nearly insane. I know whole subcultures where women who don't breastfeed are shamed, where women teach their children that another mother with a bottle is a "bad mommy." And my wife couldn't breastfeed due to surgery, but we received countless admonitions from people telling us that nearly any woman could breastfeed regardless of surgery, and if we'd only really try it exclusively it would be enough. For awhile it seemed like every stranger we met felt that it was their business to find out if we were going to breastfeed our children, find out about the surgery, and then tell us with no real knowledge of our situation that breastfeeding was possible. Our second son was referred to a lactation consulting center by his pediatrician because we tried this - he was in bad shape at one week and the lactation consulting center told us we had better start giving him formula, so we did. They were scared to death we were going to refuse. Then our next son was born with neonatal hepatitis and a severe protein intolerance that made it impossible for him to digest human milk. We had friends offering to pump for him because they really just couldn't comprehend the situation.
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  • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Wednesday August 24 2016, @05:30PM

    by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Wednesday August 24 2016, @05:30PM (#392677) Journal

    In this case, the only pre-modern alternative to breast feeding was... nothing. It doesn't take much to beat death.

    Not true. Almost every human culture around the world has a history of "wet-nurses." Yes, when we think of them today, it probably conjures up an image of an aristocratic woman who hands off her child to someone poor woman to feed. But historically, this practice also existed to help out mothers in a village who couldn't produce enough milk for their own child. It's only in our modern "isolated" world that's squeamish about bodily fluids that we find such a practice to be weird. Yet that puts way too much pressure on mothers, and some of them just don't have enough milk. (Also, obviously breastfeeding can transmit diseases and such, so I'm not necessarily encouraging a return to co-nursing, only noting that there were pre-modern alternatives other than death.)

    But today, there is an absolutely insane amount of pressure on women to breast feed. Not just to do it, but to enjoy it. If you don't enjoy breast feeding, basically, you're a monster. There is something terribly wrong with you. You have post-partum depression, or you're selfish and impatient, or you're too lazy to try to make it work properly -- and those latter two reasons mean you shouldn't be permitted to have kids, you disgusting, reprehensible, utter failure of a woman.

    I wrote a comment above about my own experience with my wife dealing with this. Indeed, we were always careful about who we told we were supplementing with formula, because we had a number of bad encounters with other militant breastfeeders. Unless you've had a baby recently and lived in an "enlightened community" where breastfeeding is the norm, you probably have no idea what kind of stress this puts on new mothers, and how much shame they are made to feel when they can't live up to the standard.

    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday August 30 2016, @05:03AM

      by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday August 30 2016, @05:03AM (#395132) Homepage

      Goat milk (or rarely, cow's milk) was also used as a substitute. And just because there weren't rubber nipples doesn't mean there weren't methods of getting milk into a baby's mouth.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 24 2016, @06:18PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday August 24 2016, @06:18PM (#392705) Journal

    I can't speak to what things were like in the 70s and 80s. But today, there is an absolutely insane amount of pressure on women to breast feed. Not just to do it, but to enjoy it. If you don't enjoy breast feeding, basically, you're a monster. There is something terribly wrong with you. You have post-partum depression, or you're selfish and impatient, or you're too lazy to try to make it work properly -- and those latter two reasons mean you shouldn't be permitted to have kids, you disgusting, reprehensible, utter failure of a woman.

    It is possible to breast feed wrong, at first, with your first child. If you don't have a knowledgeable woman there to help you, it can be rough going. And having breast-fed a child before does not necessarily make a woman knowledgeable, because a great many women have little recollection of the early weeks, afterward (possibly as an effect of oxytocin flooding their system). A formal or informal lactation consultant can be quite helpful to get past initial difficulties in getting the kid to latch on. Once those hurdles are overcome the same oxytocin seems to render the breastfeeding experience generally pleasant; pumping breast milk for feeding when the mother has to go to work is the chore.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 24 2016, @06:45PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 24 2016, @06:45PM (#392720)

    udder failure of a woman.

    FTFY (sorry, couldn't help myself, which applies to breastfeeding on multiple levels.)