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posted by martyb on Thursday August 25 2016, @09:07AM   Printer-friendly
from the not-just-studying dept.

Common Dreams reports:

The National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) said [August 23] that graduate students who work as teaching and research assistants at private colleges are employees--a ruling with "big implications" for both higher education and organized labor in the United States.

Inside Higher Ed explains:

The NLRB said that a previous ruling by the board--that these workers were not entitled to collective bargaining because they are students--was flawed. The NLRB ruling, 3 to 1, came in a case involving a bid by the United Auto Workers to organize graduate students at Columbia University. The decision reverses a 2004 decision--which has been the governing one until today--about a similar union drive at Brown University.

[...] Stanford University, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, and "the entire Ivy League" had jointly submitted a brief, the Washington Post reports, "arguing that involving students in the bargaining process would disrupt operations, if they want to negotiate the length of a class, amount or grading or what's included in curriculum. Bringing more people to the table, they said, could lead to lengthy and expensive bargaining to the detriment of all students".

But the NLRB, in its ruling (pdf), sided with the students, in a decision that "could potentially deliver tens of thousands of members to the nation's struggling labor movement", according to The Wall Street Journal.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by edIII on Thursday August 25 2016, @09:15PM

    by edIII (791) on Thursday August 25 2016, @09:15PM (#393194)

    The NLRB is pure corruption, and its genesis came from the fact UNIONS WERE FUCKING WINNING. All of the strongest tools that strikers had such as general strikes, sister strikes, hot cargo, etc. were causing the real problems. It didn't matter that the employers refused to sit down and talk. Scabs had the shit beaten out of them, and employers simply had no choice. ESPECIALLY under a general strike, and a sister strike. The NLRB was very much a response by government from corporate requests to handle their slavery pools that were getting 'uppity' with notions like fair pay, safety, etc. It was bad enough the government outlawed slavery, drastically increasing the prices of commodities, but to be forced to deal with workers fairly? That was apocalyptic apparently to the 1%'er.

    Enter the NLRB. With promises of helping the unions, forcing the employers to listen, and stopping employers from striking back by firing organizing workers.

    Sounds good in theory, except the NLRB gets to dictate what behavior is under a union, and if you are one. Once you're a union, now all of the sudden.... union organizers need to get paid. Dues are FORCEFULLY collected, whereas they were voluntary before. General strikes are out of the question, as well as anything remotely like a sister strike or hot cargo. Now, the costs of organizing can become prohibitive. It's not good enough to meet in somebodies house, and donate all your free time to help your brothers and sisters. Now there are regulations, payments, COSTS, OVERHEAD. Stuff that simply wasn't a major consideration before, or barrier to entry to organizing.

    Basically, the NLRB was created to hamstring the fuck out of the unions. About 2-3 decades later after riding the high of a largely unionized work force, the corrupt 1% used their whores in government to allow outsourcing of jobs, continually restrict what a union can do, and more importantly: DECIDE WHO GETS TO BE UNIONIZED AND WHO DOESN'T!

    What happened here today was ridiculous. Those graduates *always* had the right to unionize. It's the 1st Amendment after all. They aren't the only ones. Initially, farm workers and domestic workers weren't covered. In fact, there is a huge chunk of people not even remotely covered by the NLRB.

    The NLRB is a corporate tool used to moderate unions to their satisfaction, not a government agency designed to support unions and protect their members.

    That's fine. We're going to rise up and kill every one of those mother fuckers in the 1%. Soon. Real Soon. Why? You can only keep people from organizing to ask for a meager standard of living for so long, before it becomes clear that being reasonable gets you nothing. Violence and killing people will work, simply because that 1%'er is no longer breathing and able to instruct politicians to create something like the NLRB in the first place.

    Unions? We're well past that. Revolution!

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 25 2016, @09:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 25 2016, @09:39PM (#393202)

    Interesting position.

    Unions were winning (because they were enacting violence on those who disagreed with them, what in other words would be called assault, often extending to the point of murder) but it's an outrage if they can require payments?

    Persuading people to beat, mutilate, maim and kill is no problem, but union dues were the cunning plot that broke the back of the union movement?

    I know what my problems are with the unions, and they mostly relate to the corruption of the unions themselves, but if the unions were honest, efficient and truly worked to represent my interests, I wouldn't mind the dues. I mind it when they go to criminal politicians and criminal ... well, criminals.

    And you cap all this with the claim that real soon now, you (and your horde of fellows) will start cutting the throats of people who ... work within the system.

    I'm having a real hard time with the idea of respecting your revolutionary plans on the grounds that I don't think that killing any group of people is going to change the system, so much as just end up with a new set of people on top who look a lot like the previous bunch. Like most african revolutions, in fact. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday August 25 2016, @10:28PM

      by edIII (791) on Thursday August 25 2016, @10:28PM (#393215)

      Unions were winning (because they were enacting violence on those who disagreed with them, what in other words would be called assault, often extending to the point of murder) but it's an outrage if they can require payments?

      False. If there were any murders, they were in response to workers being murdered. Look up the Pinkertons. In fact, what you alleged happened, did happen. Except it was the corporations doing it to the workers.

      Look up history some time. Chicago was notorious because you could hire an off-duty cop for union-busting work, which often meant head-busting, or flat out disappearing people.

      Violence? Perhaps on scabs, but it wasn't organized violence as an ideology or anything. It was workers fighting for their lives in many cases. It's not hyperbole to say that hundreds of unionized workers were shot in the back by authorities while fleeing.

      Violence against the owners? Highly unlikely in their gilded ivory towers sitting right next to the Chief of Police, the Mayor, and the Governor.

      Persuading people to beat, mutilate, maim and kill is no problem, but union dues were the cunning plot that broke the back of the union movement?

      That's just flat out false. Nobody set out to beat scabs unless the scab tried crossing the line. Again, violence was not the primary tool of the organizer. At all. Striking was the primary tool, which required organization and all of the members assisting each other to make it through the strike.

      So, yes. Union dues did break the backs of many, especially when they were increased and regulated. The dues weren't nearly as important as active membership. Meaning, you attended meetings, helped other members with material needs, collaborated on strategy, and took votes. That's what organizing needs. People, not money.

      And you cap all this with the claim that real soon now, you (and your horde of fellows) will start cutting the throats of people who ... work within the system.

      You fucking betcha. There is no hope anymore, the 1% fully corrupted the government. Automation is going to start eliminating service jobs soon (Wendy's is going full auto), H1B visas are preferred to citizens, and there simply is no ability anymore to strike or force corporations to do anything. So since they literally will not listen anymore, and we're starving and dying, the only logical result to such a situation is bloody revolution. It's either that, or a bunch of very mature and obedient workers simply dying in the street homeless without being too much of a bother on anyone else. Yeah, right, and rainbow Unicorns are going to fly out of my butt.

      A human being is an animal, and we've been treated with as much respect and diginity as an animal being led to slaughter since the 70's.

      I don't claim anything but to realize that soon corporations will be reaping what they sowed. That's all.

      I'm having a real hard time with the idea of respecting your revolutionary plans on the grounds that I don't think that killing any group of people is going to change the system, so much as just end up with a new set of people on top who look a lot like the previous bunch. Like most african revolutions, in fact. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

      Respect isn't required. It's not my plans, but the only logical course of action. These are not simple disagreements in which we can walk away like adults with a agree-to-disagree attitude and still have beers at the local watering hole. We, the workers, have been asking, then pleading, then begging, then demanding a living wage for over 100 years. That's all that is being asked, and assertions to the contrary that union workers must be Goldbrickers is just giving in to the nasty corporate propaganda of the last 100 years. The truth is that American workers have been some of the hardest working people on the whole planet, and executives would crumple at the first hard day of work.

      Is safety so unreasonable? Remember that Keyhoe (burning in hell) blamed his workers for getting sick on TEL. Especially before OSHA, manufacturing and mining were incredibly dangerous professions simply due to avarice of the owners, nothing more. Asking for safety is not being unreasonable, or acting entitled in any way, shape, or form.

      Is a living wage really so unreasonable? So Communist, so liberal, so evil? A living wage is exactly that; The amount you need to afford food, clothing, shelter, & medical. Sometimes it is expanded, but in general it is the amount you need for a basic standard of living. Note, I said basic. Many use ridiculous appeals to emotion stating that a living wage is asking for a McMansion per employee, of which it isn't.

      The lack of a living wage has striking results. Everyone denied a living wage is living materially deprived as a self-evident statement of fact. This situation demands they either continue to go without, or seek government assistance. When a living wage is as strongly denied as it is with base employment in hell holes like Walmart, you and I are instantly on the hook via taxes to subsidize that worker so the fucking Waltons (also burning in hell) can have multiple billions. Each.

      The bloody revolution will come because people are critically materially deprived, their situation never improves, representative government has long ago died, and it is crystal clear that the 1% has fully co-opted the government with absolute political and regulatory capture. Those forms of capture are set to dramatically expand with the TPP.

      If things actually got better once in awhile, or were a little more balanced towards the worker, then revolution would be nigh impossible. However, with the right circumstances, the people will elect Hitler and destroy themselves. If you think we aren't exactly as desperate as the German people during their times of inflation and austerity, you would be sadly mistaken.

      It will be a bloody revolution because we have no choice. Not because the choice was revolution, but the choice was to rebel or die starving.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 26 2016, @04:18AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 26 2016, @04:18AM (#393332)

        OK, cool. Obviously you have made an air-tight case that the american worker is strong, upright, virtuous, and unceasingly dicked over by some very cunning, conniving, bloodthirsty human parasites.

        Right, well, I have a proposal for you. I think you'll like this one.

        You ready?

        Establish workers' cooperatives. Pay the strong, upright, super-efficient, virtuous workers what you deem to be a fair wage. Let the parasites find a bunch of miserable scabs from other countries to work their sweatshops. You should beat them hands down because of the upright virtuous strength of the american workers, right?

        No slaughter necessary; and frankly, if you boycott all the monstrous exploit-o-rations, they should run out of cash eventually.

        Let me know when you try that. I want to watch.

        • (Score: 2) by edIII on Friday August 26 2016, @07:33PM

          by edIII (791) on Friday August 26 2016, @07:33PM (#393644)

          Your ideas are quite good, and are already in the works.

          I do boycott nearly everything with my wallet. You're talking to somebody that doesn't give a FUCK about how SHINY something is, or even if it gives the best blowjobs on Earth, while making perfect grilled cheese sandwiches and mining multiple cryptocurrencies to pay for itself.

          There is a single consideration when I purchase anything, or contribute ANY of my production on a daily basis: Does it benefit an executive? If so, how much? Was there any alternative company, that I can also afford, that offers a similar product? Is this the best way for me to make executives starve and their companies to go under?

          One big problem with that.

          How do you know? Big corporations, and those parasites within, often buy up companies with good images, and then destroy them in the normal ways. Yet, the box still looks the same. The story is still the same; The workers paradise at the company. You can't trust any stories about a collective, till you actually call up the company, and perform significant research on ownership. What is lacking is extremely strong branding and an organization that verifies these things. That way, you can look for "Good For The Worker" label similar to GF (Gluten Free) and the organic labels. We need an org like this so that we can know with confidence, not being duped by slick marketing, corporate buyouts, etc.

          It's much easier to just shop at a farmer's market, refuse to buy ANY more technology, and move towards self-suffiency in which you participate very little with monetized markets.... like water. Water was fucking monetized with Nestle killing our forests in California to sell us our own water back for a profit.

          Much easier said than done, and even in the face of such great difficulties, I deny executives the cash every single day of the week, all year long.

          No slaughter necessary; and frankly, if you boycott all the monstrous exploit-o-rations, they should run out of cash eventually.

          Run out of cash? You mean like Wall Street and the bankers after our ongoing Great Depression started?

          Yeah, that only works when we can also make sure they can't steal it from us in the form of taxes and corrupt politicians. Take a wild fucking guess if I would have given a single solitary penny away in bailouts? That's why I instantly stopped paying on over $100,000 in credit card debt. Fuck them, they got paid by me anyways. Not just me, but whatever children I would have, and everybody's else's children, etc.

          No, we have in fact been trying it your way for quite some time. In the meantime, our country is dying:

          1) Brain drain. We are some stupid fuckers now compared to the rest of the world. We cannot attract or retain anyone, once they got what they needed: Knowledge and experience.

          2) Brain damage for our children. 1/4 children are critically malnourished in the U.S with striking consequences in neural development. This means in 20 years, that 1 out of 4 of us is literally mentally handicapped compared to citizens in foreign countries. This will not help us at all, but be a great burden upon us.

          3) Over 90% of the money is in the hands of 63 people/entities. Living wages have disappeared unless you're a member of the elite class. All of the money is already at the top, eliminating your idea of starvation. At least, in any reasonable time period.

          4) Our manufacturing is dead and dying. All of the highly skilled workers are now old and retired, or have already died. This one we've seen the writing on the wall, which is why some older workers are seeing work again to train younger workers. It's not enough though. We've fallen down hard on this one, and greatly depend on other countries to manufacture our goods.

          5) Nearly all factory, and union jobs in general, have disappeared to make way for the new service/slave economy. That is comprised of workers placed in general slave pools whereby the corporations can ensure a steady supply of cheap and exploited labor.

          6) #5 is becoming irrelevant as automation has reached the point where a Wendy's fast food outlet can be completely automated. Huge numbers of service jobs are now set to disappear.

          7) Homelessness has spiked to critical levels. What is critical? When you walk around your neighborhood, and public walking paths through nature, and see dozens of people camping. On that, I'm entirely serious. The population density is not trivial, and that's a population of desperate, hungry, and thoroughly disenfranchised people.

          8) We are not represented anymore, and this is actually an open and lamented secret. Nobody believes we're represented, and on that, don't take my word for it. There are polls and studies.

          9) The elite are literally healthier, able to afford age-reversing drugs and age-lengthening quality of food, water, and shelter. That's not an opinion, but scientific fact after studying the telomeres of inner city slaves (often minorities) versus their much richer counterparts in suburbia. If you live a life of privilege provided by exploitation of others, it literally pays for an amorally higher standard of living, as well as ensuring a long life while you do it.

          I could keep going on, but all of them lead towards bloody revolution and a shattered America that will take decades to get back to what it was. I predict we will be a 3rd world country for a good time period, having lost whatever influence and good will we had with the world. Our only saving grace will be a military of such size and ferocity, and two huge oceans protecting us from conquest.

          We either have a revolution in the next few years, rise up and kill the 1%, or resign ourselves to being slaves again with a standard of living commensurate with our new status.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 26 2016, @08:21PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 26 2016, @08:21PM (#393664)

            Ok, so build the cooperative. Build it, and they will come. I know for a fact if you told me that you had a cooperative in my area, and I could join that and get a piece of the productivity, and get paid a decent wage compared to what the corporate fatcats do, I'd leap on it like a starving dog on a steak.

            And the corporations could go find some guy elsewhere to do their bidding.

            What's stopping you?

            • (Score: 2) by edIII on Saturday August 27 2016, @12:30AM

              by edIII (791) on Saturday August 27 2016, @12:30AM (#393774)

              There's no cooperative in my area, and perhaps somebody that still has youth, vitality, money, and health should do it. I'm getting something probably cancerous biopsied here in a minute.

              Build it and *I* will come. I can still do a bit of work, I just can't keep to a regular schedule anymore that Corporate America would accept. Too many sick days.

              I have no problems whatsoever sacrificing and working very hard for my brothers and sisters. Just wish I still had what it takes to go out there and be a real activist. All I can do is watch in horror as my country and planet dies around me in violence, despair, and exploitation.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 27 2016, @05:06AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 27 2016, @05:06AM (#393862)

                Well, hope the biopsy has good news for you.

                Maybe you can get together with gewg and at least work out a plan that would work it all out before we have global revolution.

                You'll have to figure out at least an industry that will work for your first cooperative, and how to capitalise it so that it can get off the ground.

                Actually, here's an idea:

                Find a group of folks who have their own tools, pool some beer money, get a run-down garage for cheap rental, paint it up nice, and found the Weekend Mechanics. Whenever their weekend is, they're ready to work on poor people's shitty cars for reasonable rates. As they accumulate money, they get better tools and so on, and broaden their capabilities.

                Think about it; even if you can't do this yourself, can you handle the accounting? Some of the paperwork? Maybe you have some cash to contribute? Could you paint the building? Wash the restroom?

                Billboard says: "We're a cooperative, not a multinational. We keep you on the road as cheap as we can. And we will never upsell you just to make a buck."