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posted by martyb on Sunday August 28 2016, @12:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the store-with-Mrs.-Field's-cookie-recipe dept.

The Kentucky Fried Chicken restaurant chain, now a division of Yum! Brands and rebranded KFC, has long used the proprietary nature of its seasoning blend, purportedly containing "eleven herbs and spices," as a selling point.

A Chicago Tribune travel reporter was assigned to visit and write about the Harland Sanders Cafe and Museum. A member of the family of the founder of the chain showed the reporter a deceased aunt's photo album and her will, on the back of which the following recipe had been written:

11 Spices – Mix With 2 Cups White Fl.
1) 2/3 Ts Salt
2) 1/2 Ts Thyme
3) 1/2 Ts Basil
4) 1/3 Ts Origino (sic) [sic]
5) 1 Ts Celery Salt
6) 1 Ts Black Pepper
7) 1 Ts Dried Mustard
8) 4 Ts Paprika
9) 2 Ts Garlic Salt
10) 1 Ts Ground Ginger
11) 3 Ts White Pepper

Reporters prepared some chicken using breading made with the recipe. However, the flavour differed from that of the chicken served at KFC. When MSG was sprinkled on the chicken, the flavour became similar to KFC's chicken. A KFC spokesperson confirmed to the Tribune that the company uses MSG.


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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday August 28 2016, @01:45PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 28 2016, @01:45PM (#394198)

    Table salt isn't bad for your body. There is no scientific evidence

    For a science experiment try to find evidence. Its hard! I ended up at the American Heart Association where all they have is rhetoric specifically appeals to authority. Its almost as bad as the decades of anti-fat high-carb being profoundly devout and authoritarian but mostly being wrong and highly successful at plumping people up. So the PR campaign following the techniques of a known lie doesn't prove that sodium-heart-disease is a lie, but its suspicious looking.

    There is a side issue that in processed food industry, low salt = high carb, replace salt with (profitable) sugar or corn syrup. So low-sodium is going to inherently plump people up pretty effectively and fat people have heart problems so this is going to mess with the results.

    The best I can find from the opposition that is vaguely scientific is:

    http://www.livescience.com/51689-salt-high-blood-pressure.html [livescience.com]

    Two parallel problems exist. What dieticians call "normal" sodium intake is only about 4% of the population. So when the industry refers to "high intake" that's actually normal. Furthermore like "many" diet issues there's a bathtub curve where minimum death rate isn't at zero intake, but per the article the lowest rate of death corresponds to 3 to 6 grams of salt per day.

    I guess what I'm getting at is there's nothing wrong with the curve can be a mix of a linear ramp up to 2 g and then U shaped from 2 to 10 g where its simultaneously true that going from ultra low 1g to extremely low 1.5 g results in an increase in illness, while its also true that global minimum death rate far below either 1g or 1.5g exists between 3 and 6 grams.

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  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 28 2016, @04:16PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday August 28 2016, @04:16PM (#394243)

    Can't remember the reference, but I read about one study that showed that high salt was bad for about 10% of the population - so bad that those 10% were enough to skew the average result of salt studies to "salt is really bad for you."
    In reality high salt is really bad for that 10%. The rest of the people just piss out excess salt with no problems.

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday August 28 2016, @08:19PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Sunday August 28 2016, @08:19PM (#394319)

      The rest of the people just piss out excess salt with no problems.

      Yes AC, if it helps remembering, it was something to do with people with failing kidneys but not (yet) failed enough for dialysis, if they can't pee out the salt like most of us can, water will accumulate in their blood to keep the salinity constant (or attempt to make more constant, anyway) and higher total volume of blood has a fairly predictable effect on systemic pressure.

      http://www.webmd.com/hypertension-high-blood-pressure/guide/what-is-renal-hypertension [webmd.com]

      Its really quite unfortunate, because one organ that doesn't tolerate high blood pressure very well is the kidneys. So it can rapidly turn into a spiraling failure mode where high pressure results in kidney damage that results in higher pressure that results in more kidney damage and its either gonna stabilize or they're gonna die.

      • (Score: 2) by Magic Oddball on Sunday August 28 2016, @11:19PM

        by Magic Oddball (3847) on Sunday August 28 2016, @11:19PM (#394347) Journal

        These days, people with chronic/gradual renal failure are put on blood pressure pills as soon as their kidneys start to jack the pressure up in order to disrupt the damage spiral. Dialysis isn't performed until the end-stage, I believe.

        That said, if my case is anything to go by, CRF patients can sink relatively far into failure without having problems handling salt and with the high BP as the only clear symptom. (You know you're a geek when you discover that the end stage of your likely-terminal condition causes headaches, and your first thought is a snarky "I don't want to go to heaven with a headache, I'd be all cross and wouldn't enjoy it!")

  • (Score: 1) by Francis on Sunday August 28 2016, @06:06PM

    by Francis (5544) on Sunday August 28 2016, @06:06PM (#394278)

    The original recommendation to limit sodium intake was based upon a report of 8 hypertension patients in France that also had high sodium levels. For most people, there's no reason to cut down on their sodium levels and several reasons to increase them. It's been rather hot here lately, in the '80s and '90s and most folks around here don't have airconditioning because it's not hot like this for very long typically and we tend to discourage wasting energy.

    It's also rather dry around here, the humidity today is up to 50%, but the day before yesterday when it was much hotter, it was 33% humdity. As a result people tend to sweat a lot and if they're already on one of those ill-conceived of low sodium diets, it's relatively easy to wash and sweat the last bits of sodium out of the body and wind up un-pickling the brain.

    If a person has high sodium levels and hypertension, then it's worth considering a reduction in sodium intake, but it's reckless and irresponsible to recommend that all people keep to a low-sodium diet when there's absolutely no evidence to back the assertion.

    Because we're no longer allowed to conduct extreme research to really nail the causation and mechanism, we have to use inductive reasoning on things like this. Consequently, you can't typically say for sure whether or not the cause of the problem is such and such, you can only rate the likelihood of causation. Hence in cases like fat, sodium and cholesterol a blanket recommendation of something other than moderation is reckelss, irresponsible and potentially fatal for many people.