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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html?_r=0
WE progressives believe in diversity, and we want women, blacks, Latinos, gays and Muslims at the table — er, so long as they aren't conservatives. Universities are the bedrock of progressive values, but the one kind of diversity that universities disregard is ideological and religious. We're fine with people who don't look like us, as long as they think like us.
O.K., that's a little harsh. But consider George Yancey, a sociologist who is black and evangelical. "Outside of academia I faced more problems as a black," he told me. "But inside academia I face more problems as a Christian, and it is not even close."
I've been thinking about this because on Facebook recently I wondered aloud whether universities stigmatize conservatives and undermine intellectual diversity. The scornful reaction from my fellow liberals proved the point.
"Much of the 'conservative' worldview consists of ideas that are known empirically to be false," said Carmi. "The truth has a liberal slant," wrote Michelle. "Why stop there?" asked Steven. "How about we make faculties more diverse by hiring idiots?"
To me, the conversation illuminated primarily liberal arrogance — the implication that conservatives don't have anything significant to add to the discussion. My Facebook followers have incredible compassion for war victims in South Sudan, for kids who have been trafficked, even for abused chickens, but no obvious empathy for conservative scholars facing discrimination.
The stakes involve not just fairness to conservatives or evangelical Christians, not just whether progressives will be true to their own values, not just the benefits that come from diversity (and diversity of thought is arguably among the most important kinds), but also the quality of education itself. When perspectives are unrepresented in discussions, when some kinds of thinkers aren't at the table, classrooms become echo chambers rather than sounding boards — and we all lose.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Farkus888 on Monday August 29 2016, @02:50AM
My primary problem with liberals is how presumptuous they tend to be. Tell one you own a gun and then try to convince them you are for gay marriage. They paint the entire world with a real wide all evil guilt by association brush. The disturbing newer trend is that the Conservatives aren't much behind in that behavior. Both are anti intellectualism and bad for society.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by dyingtolive on Monday August 29 2016, @03:10AM
Yes. I'm generally liberal leaning, overall. That being said, every time I hear someone on the internet or even a few times in person takes that condescending, manipulative stance to try to sway people to their new version of leftism, I can't help but find myself grimacing and turning a little bit more conservative in knee-jerk reaction. You know the stance I'm talking about. That whole, higher-than-thou smiley-gladhands, "well, do you REALLY think that's the kind of opinion you should have? Can you explain it a little more to me? Maybe we can talk through that a little," thing they get going on.
I swear to someone else's god, the left will eat themselves in the end as much as the right has. I just wonder what will be left behind.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @04:42AM
Tell one you own a gun and then try to convince them you are for gay marriage.
All my liberal friends own guns. Not all of them are gay married, though. Lots of the ex-SEALS and Marine snippers are, but not all of them. All good liberals to the core. Who are you presuming you are talking to that are so presumptious? Could it not be that it is your own presumption that makes you presume that liberals presume when it is actually yourself that is doing the presumptioning?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Monday August 29 2016, @06:07AM
The entire problem is with 'progressives' is that they want to see a human problem with scientific eye. 1 PLUS 1 EQUAL TO 2. 2 > 1. Anybody who is against 1 + 1 is against 2. There is a condescending attitude towards all the dots that exist between 1 and 2. Life holds no value for progressives. Want equality? Give sacrifice.
Large number of conservatives are denied any platform to poke holes in liberal and progressive theories. The only people who are given any attention are those who have bad arguments. Truth is that liberals are the true conservatives - they have got the power and they are ruthless to keep it. The only way to keep liberals in check is to take their ball and then run with it. It won't get better until it gets worse.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday August 29 2016, @08:13AM
Wait, so your problem is that they're correct? Wow. I love how you guys are so unintentionally revealing.
'cause, hate to break this to you Kyuubey, but 1 + 1 does equal 2, and if you say it doesn't, one must assume you either don't understand the underlying concepts and axioms at play, or have some agenda that makes you deny the obvious. You fucked up there.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Monday August 29 2016, @08:41AM
So you agree that life holds no value to you. Why not? As long as someone else is coming under the bus and you are getting the money in the wallet!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 30 2016, @04:55AM
Life has value to me. If it didn't I wouldn't be giving over a third of my income to anti-human trafficking causes...and directly, along with personal work, not to some shady charity (which, a little research shows, usually do not help).
You wanna know who takes this soullessly-scientific approach to life you accuse the left of? People like JMorris. Anyone who says "human biodiversity" and thinks the rest of us don't know that's code for scientific racism under the guise of "well black folks are dumb so we're justified in exterminating them." Eugenecists. Social Darwinists, which is a misnomer if I ever heard one. Generally, Kyuubey, people like you. And yes, I am calling you that for a reason.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday August 30 2016, @05:52AM
I have no interest in knowing your personal opinions so keep them to yourself. You said 1+1=2 and there is nothing to debate there. It follows that you don't value human life as per your own admission. It also follows that causing harm to other people if it benefits you is acceptable behavior for you. Either that or you accept that there are more things than simple math when human life is involved. Be exact in your response.
And by the way, ever heard of Winterhilfswerk?
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 30 2016, @04:07PM
First off, fuck you and die; I bet YOU don't lift a fucking finger to help those in need. Why would you? You're a good little Calvini--pardon me, Randroid, and OBVIOUSLY "those people" deserve to suffer, right?
Second: 1 + 1 does equal 2. Thankfully, humanity is a hell of a lot less simple and black-and-white than arithmetic...though you're trying hard not to be. At this point I can predict most of your answers before you type them.
Third: yes, I have heard of that (winter + help + labor), and all that proves is that some things are so bleeding obvious that even a goddamn Nazi can get them right...which raises the question, what the FUCK is wrong with YOU, Kyuubey?!
tl;dr: even the average Nazi had better morals than you. Kill yourself.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday August 30 2016, @05:49PM
Thanks. First get yourself checked because a normal person doesn't talk like that. Then we will have logical debate because then you might be able to try to understand what is being said instead of going on one craptastic tirade after the other. bye bye.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 30 2016, @08:24PM
Sounds like I hit a sore spot, Kyuubey :) Sorry, but being shown for the complete walking trash fire of a human being you are does not give you an excuse to do nothing but drop ad-homs (ad-fems?).
If someone you don't know from Eve is looking at what you type and saying "wow you're literally a fucking Nazi but worse," it may be time for a *little* self-reflection...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:19AM
Hehehe. I hope you understand how much off the mark you are so next time you can save your energy. You blamed me for not replying so I entertained you. Think of it like pity-sex. Its over now. From next time it will be time-pass only. :D
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday August 31 2016, @08:58AM
Wowwww. Classy as fuck, Kyuubey. You're another one who doesn't know when to shut his stupid fucking mouth, and ends up revealing waaaaaay more about himself than intended.
Besides which, your reply clearly shows I've hit a sore point for you. You fucked up, and left yourself wide open, and you deserved that. Seriously, you are Literally Worse Than A Goddamned Nazi (TM) by your own admission. Even I'm stunned; I didn't think you were so completely and utterly bankrupt. Hell welcomes you with open arms...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @12:35PM
It seems your problem is that you can't understand what an analogy is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @06:49AM
> Tell one you own a gun and then try to convince them you are for gay marriage.
Maybe you haven't noticed, but a significantly well-funded political organization has spent the last 40 years trying to make that connection true. You can't really fault someone for paying attention to the fact that the republican party has stridently defined itself around a handful of planks including those two. That you aren't part of all that is great, but not only does the party frequently claim to speak for all gun owners, they are home for the largest group of gun owners. (Compare that to something like ISIS which claims to speak for all muslims but has a membership that is a fraction of a percent of all muslims.)
(Score: 2) by number11 on Monday August 29 2016, @06:49AM
My primary problem with liberals is how presumptuous they tend to be. Tell one you own a gun and then try to convince them you are for gay marriage.
I dunno, I own a gun and I'm not opposed to gay marriage. I'm certainly not a "conservative". I would acknowledge that I'm not a liberal either, I'm to the left of them.
My impression is that there is a correlation between gun ownership and being against gay marriage, but it's a weak correlation. I suspect the correlation is stronger for the gun-waving, flag-waving set, but I'm not at all convinced that the majority of gun owners is included in that set.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 29 2016, @12:37PM
Agreed. At an estimated third of the population being gun owners, that'd have to be just about every single registered Republican on the rolls.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @11:15AM
Pot, meet kettle.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @04:22PM
My primary problem with liberals is how presumptuous they tend to be. Tell one you own a gun and then try to convince them you are for gay marriage.
Nice stereotyping all "liberals" under one fictitious brush. Hypocrite much?
I know several people who are both arms-bearing and support gay marriage. I'll go so far as to say if you actually told somebody this, they'd accept you at face value. Have you actually tried it? What reaction does a so-called liberal have? "You must be lying, you can't support gay marriage because non-sequitur?" I'd be surprised if anybody except a small minority called you a liar.
I'd be more inclined to believe you if you said, "I'm anti-abortion and in favor of the death penalty," but even then I'd guess the reaction would be more of curiosity and asking how you can support a superficially contradictory position rather than claiming you are lying.