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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/opinion/sunday/a-confession-of-liberal-intolerance.html?_r=0
WE progressives believe in diversity, and we want women, blacks, Latinos, gays and Muslims at the table — er, so long as they aren't conservatives. Universities are the bedrock of progressive values, but the one kind of diversity that universities disregard is ideological and religious. We're fine with people who don't look like us, as long as they think like us.
O.K., that's a little harsh. But consider George Yancey, a sociologist who is black and evangelical. "Outside of academia I faced more problems as a black," he told me. "But inside academia I face more problems as a Christian, and it is not even close."
I've been thinking about this because on Facebook recently I wondered aloud whether universities stigmatize conservatives and undermine intellectual diversity. The scornful reaction from my fellow liberals proved the point.
"Much of the 'conservative' worldview consists of ideas that are known empirically to be false," said Carmi. "The truth has a liberal slant," wrote Michelle. "Why stop there?" asked Steven. "How about we make faculties more diverse by hiring idiots?"
To me, the conversation illuminated primarily liberal arrogance — the implication that conservatives don't have anything significant to add to the discussion. My Facebook followers have incredible compassion for war victims in South Sudan, for kids who have been trafficked, even for abused chickens, but no obvious empathy for conservative scholars facing discrimination.
The stakes involve not just fairness to conservatives or evangelical Christians, not just whether progressives will be true to their own values, not just the benefits that come from diversity (and diversity of thought is arguably among the most important kinds), but also the quality of education itself. When perspectives are unrepresented in discussions, when some kinds of thinkers aren't at the table, classrooms become echo chambers rather than sounding boards — and we all lose.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @03:54AM
I disagree. That these values should be discarded because they are 'bronze age'.
I will make them relevant for you today.
1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.
Do not create false gods. They lead to sin. Sin is explained bellow (2-10) This can be something as simple as money or power.
2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.
Do not make a physical thing out of your false god. Why? It forces you to think of your sinful ways in every moment and reminds you to commit sins.
3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
Do not swear. It shows you have become weak and allows others to tear you down.
4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
Take some time off you work-a-holic. 24/7/365 rots the mind. This has been prove over and over scientifically no less. It is set down in 'law' form as people would take advantage of each other. "If you want a job show up tomorrow or find someone else to work for".
5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.
Wisdom does come from your elders. Think of your 10 year old self and now your 20 year old self. They are different people with different experiences. Both thought they knew what the world was. All I know is that I know nothing. The more you do the more you can pass on to those after you.
6 “You shall not murder.
Do not kill people. It is wasteful and hurts more than just 1 person.
7 “You shall not commit adultery.
Do not fuck whatever comes along. STDs exist. It causes out of wedlock children. Two parent homes are proven to be more stable to children than anything.
8 “You shall not steal.
It is not yours. Do not take what does not belong to you.
9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Do not lie in court. Do not start rumors. This causes nothing but pain all around. It makes you to look a liar if proven and reduces your cred. It also hurts the person you are doing it to.
10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”
“The only time you look in your neighbor's bowl is to make sure that they have enough. You don't look in your neighbor's bowl to see if you have as much as them.” -- Louis C.K. Basically do not lust after the things of others. That lust will make you miserable and unable to cope with what you do have.
(Score: 1) by Demena on Monday August 29 2016, @04:59AM
Do you understand that you just mentally masturbated over everyone? Do you understand that you actually committed a deliberately offensive act and took joy in it? And you wonder why you are scorned. Do you understand that from your ridiculous tirade you would force attitudes, actions on people?
Religion is not the answer it is the problem
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 29 2016, @10:53AM
Take your pick. Societies are created either by religion or men with guns. If you think I'm wrong, you simply failed to spot your own religion. Here's a hint, if you entered the society voluntarily, you either were a man with a gun or it is a religion.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday August 29 2016, @01:56PM
Who really gives a flying fuck that you were offended? There may be two or three people who actually care. The rest of us are laughing at you.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday August 29 2016, @07:46AM
The Buddhists had far better ethics than Jesus and beat him to it by centuries. And I can't help but wonder why the Old Testament God, Yahweh, couldn't be bothered to say something like "don't fuckin' commit rape" in that list of 10 but had two, or three depending on which kind of Christian you are, commandments devoted to kissing his ass.
Also, "do not use the name of the Lord in vain" refers to swearing oaths, i.e., not committing perjury. It was also believed that the true name of God had magical power, and was not to be invoked by common mortal man. This is why you see devout Jews writing G*d even though the actual word being censored out would be some variation on YHVH. We don't know what the vowels were, as the old Hebrew only had yod-hey-vav-hey,
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday August 29 2016, @10:50AM
Nasty, hateful spew. Do please continue giving us fine examples of why nobody should ever listen to a word you say.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 30 2016, @05:20PM
Because being nasty and hateful makes someone wrong automatically? Hah.
Considering how important it is to you and your kind not to be "PC" and how you're supposedly all about logic over "fee-fees," you have a very, very sensitive ego. Hypocritical as hell, too; you project like a mile of movie theaters. And apparently you got your head wedged so far up your ass you don't even see this.
Thanks for proving every single thing I say about you, and then some, every single time you open your rotten mouth, Mr. Self-Admitted Staff Troll.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:59AM
No, being nasty and hateful just makes you a cunt that's not worth anyone's time to listen to. Not everyone has my utter lack of give-a-shit about your lameass attempts to sway public opinion by shit talking everyone you disagree with. I grew up with four brothers, I was in the Army, and I've spent far too much time around Texans. Your fu? It's shit.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday August 31 2016, @04:36AM
You're getting rather upset, Uzzard...might want to calm down before you burst a blood vessel.
Look at what you've been reduced to: nothing but macho posturing ("Hurr durr Imma vet durp-tee-durr had four bruvvers wot now mate?!"). Oh, and ad homs. Or ad-fems I suppose; is that even a thing? The truth is, Uzzard, you did this to yourself. Every time you let something slip you show everyone what kind of walking disaster area you are, and you *keep doing it.* You're not even intending to; it's when you're not trolling, when you let your guard down and say what you really believe, that the worst of you comes out for all to see.
I almost feel sorry for you now, Mr. Staff Troll. Almost.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Disagree) by ewk on Monday August 29 2016, @11:36AM
"couldn't be bothered to say something like "don't fuckin' commit rape" "
No. 7 looks pretty clear to me.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @01:36PM
Same with #8, on a "theft of services" type of level (I have funny, unexplored ideas about marriage, sex, and prositution).
Stealing a person's body, even if it is on a time-limited basis, is still taking something which doesn't belong to the taker.
(Score: 4, Informative) by FatPhil on Monday August 29 2016, @02:22PM
partner y n n
partner n n y commandment 7 is deficient
married y y n
married n y y
single y n n [*]
single n n y commandment 7 is deficient
Commandment 7 makes 3 out of those 5 rapes look nonrapey. It's pretty clear that it does not say "don't fucking rape". In a fair few places the psycho space fairy basically says "go ahead and rape, it'll help you relax after you've murdered all the males in my name."
[* Even if the man is married, this still isn't adultery, only the state of the female - promised to another man or not - matters. It's basically a law governing whether you've harmed that other man for using his property.]
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 29 2016, @03:08PM
Adultery isn't fornication. If they meant fornication they'd say fornication. Adultery means cheating on your spouse, which means raping somebody who isn't married is acceptable - the bible even specifically makes that clear, as all you have to do after raping a virgin is pay her father her dowry and you're golden.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 30 2016, @05:04AM
And this, RIGHT HERE, is what is wrong with the Abrahamic worldview concerning sex. Good grief.
People downthread have already said it, but this bears repeating: "thou shalt not commit adultery" is neither solely about, nor all-encompassing of, rape. Adultery very often is not at all rape-y, and most rape is not of a married person. You disgust me.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by ewk on Tuesday August 30 2016, @07:53AM
"neither solely about, nor all-encompassing of, rape"
And that's why it pretty much covers it... It actually does cover a lot more (according to the Christian teachings (*)), but, hey, don't let the sounds of the whoosh over your head distract you from your rant.
And once you let go of that limited view that adultery can only be consensual (or not) between person 1 (married) and person 2 (married [but not to person 1] or not), the rape-reference actually makes sense. (Or not, but then think about it a bit more. You seem like an intelligent person, so you'll understand it eventually)
(*) which, btw, I do not subscribe to, but don't let that bother you too much.
"You disgust me."
Now, now, that's not a very Buddhist thing to say...
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 30 2016, @04:10PM
I'm not a Buddhist :) I like some of the ideas contained in the Pali canon and some of the Mahayana scriptures, but don't feel they represent reality...though they DO seem to have figured out a lot of psychology that the Western world is only now approaching, which is fascinating.
The rest of your post is barely even worth replying to. You seem to forget, as an AC below pointed out, that your Bible says a lot about rape outside this, directly about rape, *and it treats rape as a property crime.* 50 shekels and forced marriage if a man rape someone's daughter. Essentially it's "you broke it (her hymen), you buy it."
If you don't follow these teachings, stop supporting them. Women are not property. My vulva and vagina and uterus are not commodity goods.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by ewk on Tuesday August 30 2016, @05:18PM
This reading comprehension thing is not really working, is it?
After all, you still insist on "your Bible" even when I explicitly state that "I do not subscribe to".
To me an indication that further discussion will become rather fruitless and cumbersome (and even more off topic).
As about AC's... I don't read those. Can't distinguish one AC from the other AC anyway, so that only mixes things up.
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday August 30 2016, @08:26PM
You didn't read my reply did you?
I have news for you: if you defend something, it's yours. You may not be a Christian, but if you defend their views (technically Jewish views, but Mt. 5:17-20 has Jesus explicitly say they're still in effect...) they are indeed yours. You are defending a worldview that sees women as chattel. I am not a commodity. Get this through your head.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by ewk on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:21AM
I did read your reply and found no new points of view. Sorry if you thought otherwise.
Yet, out of the goodness from my heart and as a final closure, I have news for you too: pointing out something is not defending that something.
Hazuki: "Why aren't there laws against speeding cars in this town?"
ewk: "Look there... that looks like like speed limit sign..."
Hazuki: "You moron, why are you defending that cars might speed at all?"
ewk: .....
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday August 31 2016, @09:01AM
False analogy. More like this:
Why the hell aren't there laws against speeding in this town?
Hey look, a "yield to pedestrians" sign! That makes it allll better!
...what does that have to do with speeding?
What is your problem, woman?! Look, there's a sign!
But...the problem is speeding, not people forgetting to stop for a crosser...
Yeah well they're the same because reasons so shut up i'm going home now and taking my ball with me bitch
(WT actual F?)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by ewk on Wednesday August 31 2016, @10:09AM
vulva, uterus, vagina AND now even a ball as well... now if you only had a brain...
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday August 31 2016, @04:50PM
You don't read so good, do ya boy?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by ewk on Wednesday August 31 2016, @04:59PM
You don't keep promises (about that ball and pissing off) so good, do ya sis?
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday August 31 2016, @05:24PM
I can't help poking the idiots in their cages, is all. Bad habit of mine. I never, ever let things go without giving them what they deserve. You fail reading comprehension hard, then you double down and start trolling? Yeah, you're gonna have a Bad Time (TM).
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by ewk on Thursday September 01 2016, @08:06AM
Bad Time(TM_) ?? Oh goodie... for now you're not even an itch that warrants scratching. So don't flatter yourself.
As for the trolling, doubling down and lack of reading comprehension... seems you looked in the mirror when you came up with that.
But, since I do have better things to do than try and attain the impossible, I'll leave the thread to you.
Have fun and maybe you learn something from it if you reread a few times. Probably not, but who knows... stranger things have happened.
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(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 01 2016, @05:08PM
Oh, I've learned plenty from re-reading your posts...and that is that I massively overestimated you. What a shame; you seemed reasonable and intelligent enough :(
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...