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posted by CoolHand on Wednesday August 31 2016, @05:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the tonight-they're-going-to-pollute-like-its-1999 dept.

Both houses of the California legislature have passed a bill called SB-32 which would tell the California Air Resources Board "to ensure that statewide greenhouse gas emissions are reduced to 40% below the 1990 level by 2030." The state's Democratic governor has issued a statement indicating that he intends to sign it into law.

The Western States Petroleum Association and the California Manufacturers & Technology Association expressed their opposition to the bill.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:16AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:16AM (#395600)

    The flight from CA is ongoing. Businesses and people alike move out as soon as they can.

    Good! It's over-crowded and the traffic sucks.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by tftp on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:28AM

    by tftp (806) on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:28AM (#395606) Homepage

    Good! It's over-crowded and the traffic sucks.

    The traffic sucks because people have to live in a farming community (which has no jobs for them) and drive 100 miles to work for tech giants like Intel. I know people who live in Central Valley; Gilroy for them is just where they turn east on the way home! They spend 2-3 hours on the road, one way! What we see here is a failure of capitalism. By chasing the maximum rent, the landlords are driving all lower-paid workers out of town. This will cause a correction, of course, but the correction will result in hundreds of businesses closing and tens of thousands people going broke. The heartless market does not care.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @09:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @09:17AM (#395632)

      I have noted the freeways start getting busy at 6AM these days...

      Helluva long workday, with way too many hours spent in commute.

      I thought the gas crisis of a few years ago was gonna make businesses invest in their own communities - help the locals with schooling their kids, in exchange for a well-trained labor pool instead of expecting to "offer an employment opportunity" and have people from hundreds of miles around vying for it.

      God knows how much I would like to blame employers for this economic debt slavery we find ourselves in, but from what I have seen, we - the public - did it to ourselves, signing loan papers , signing legal debt instruments to buy stuff we did not need.

      Mostly to try to impress someone else. Show her you care - buy her a tennis bracelet!.... while all we did was demonstrate a gullibility to any hockhead with a microphone. We need to stop signing all these damned debt instruments! When the hockhead erupts "you gotta have this", you need to ask yourself "do I really *need* this?".

      From what I have seen, debt is the main driver for all this misery, wasting our living hours, and forcing us to do things in a most polluting manner.

      Economic fun fact... prices are set by the buyer, not the seller.

      Do you really think they would stop making epi-pens if no-one would spend more then $5 for it? When you look what's really in it, its a dollar-store item! WE are the ones who are bidding the price up on everything, and the takers are having a heyday at our tolerance of bidding up the price at artificial monopolies, as well as not organizing against taxation. WE are the ones selling ourselves into slavery... aka... debt.

      Sign their papers, and "they" OWN you! Often for a bauble.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Oakenshield on Wednesday August 31 2016, @12:03PM

        by Oakenshield (4900) on Wednesday August 31 2016, @12:03PM (#395650)

        Economic fun fact... prices are set by the buyer, not the seller.

        You fail basic economics. Pricing is set by a meeting of the minds between buyer and seller. A seller can refuse to sell if the buyer is unwilling to pay the price desired and the buyer can refuse to buy if the seller sets the price too high.

        Do you really think they would stop making epi-pens if no-one would spend more then $5 for it?

        Yes. I am certain that there is more than $5 in governmental regulation involved. The Auvi-Q (epipen clone) left a market with a gigantic profit margin over a dosing problem recall. The cost of Asthma drugs skyrocketed in recent years when the FDA banned all CFC propellants in drugs causing manufacturers to have to go through the process of recertifying old drugs with new delivery methods. Albuterol which had been generic for years tripled overnight when generics disappeared despite the fact the drug did not change. GlaxoSmithKline is one of the most profitable pharma companies in the world because of Advair/Seretide despite the drug being off patent for years. The delivery device is the sticking point.

        The problem is that there are people whose lives depend on the epipen. That makes it very valuable to them. The question is, should we as a soceity allow pharmaceutical companies to take advantage of that demand in order to maximize profits? I believe that we are finally seeing a shift in public opinion. Now, will government actually do anything about it, or will lobbyists win again?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:53PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:53PM (#395674)

          > Now, will government actually do anything about it, or will lobbyists win again?

          They will always win. The question is how much will they win. And that answer is directly correlated with campaign finance. I don't mean quid-pro-quo (as the simpleton Trump has alleged) but rather access. When politicians have to spend 40% of their time every week talking to assholes with money they end up living in an information bubble largely defined by those assholes. They don't deliberately do favors for those asshole, they just never hear any other sides of the story. Kind of like a child raised by ultra religious parents- all they ever hear are stories about jeebus so it is extremely difficult for them to even conceive that there are other perspectives.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @03:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @03:01PM (#395707)

        In my case it was buying stuff that I needed after I was thrown out of my parent's house (nearly literally, accused me of "drugs" and wanted to throw me in jail to teach me whatever f'ed up lesson they thought I needed, only one I learned was Austin 3:16 DTA Don't Trust Anybody).

        I'm not the only person to get thrown out a day after turning 18.

        What option is there? You want a decent job and you need a place to live. So you work a minimum wage job part time 45 hours per week with no benefits just to pay rent. Then you go massively into debt getting an education. Then you try to build a career with your shiny new degree only to learn that instead of the boundless opportunities you were promised as a child if you chose the profession you did, cleaning toilets has more job prestige and social status and when you ask for enough to at least have some hope of paying all your debt back and at least getting your head above water, they have you train your H1B replacement.

        Baby boomer and gen X assholes think it's still 1960 and you can still buy a car and get through college with a summer job living in your own place.

        If I'm ever able to have kids, I intend to focus on making sure they're financially able to leave the nest. Also like hell I'm sending them to the prisons that are government schools. Either my wife or I will need to stay at home to educate them. Make sure they don't grow up being force-fed shit and lies while being psychologically abused by peers, administrators, and dumbfuck teachers. (Remember, air pressure is what keeps things on the ground, not gravity, FFS how can you be that stupid and be allowed to teach?! And don't ask why A^2 + B^2 = C^2, just memorize that it does, because the teach has no fucking clue how to prove it out and is angry that you embarrassed him by asking an innocent question.)

        Want to know where all our debt comes from? The Selfish Generation. The Me, Me, Me Generation. Yeah, a lot of people on this site will get pissed off. You know when your adult kids decide to stop talking to you and cut you out of their life for good? Look in the mirror for the reason. You can't lie your ass off to somebody about how the world works for 18+ years, throw them out homeless in the name of "tough love," and expect them to still be able to stand the sight of you 15-20 years and 2-3 economic crashes later when they're still struggling to get their head above water.

        My dad gets stupider the older I get. Funny that. But keep on believing I just haven't "hard work"ed enough and am just lazy. I hope social security vanishes in 10 years. I'm prepared to retire without it. Can the Me, Me, Me Generation live without government handouts?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:40PM (#395670)

      the landlords are driving all lower-paid workers out of town. This will cause a correction, of course, but the correction will result in hundreds of businesses closing and tens of thousands people going broke.

      Much more likely is that California will see zoning reform that permits the construction of high density housing. Japan has very lax zoning control - if you own the land you can build practically anything you want. That's resulted in people building some crazy ass houses [japlusu.com] because their neighbors can't stop them. But it also means they can build high-density housing. Which is the primary reason the Tokyo real-estate market has not bubbled [ft.com] the way it has in major metros in America and Europe.

      In the US we don't allow businesses owners to veto a competing business next door. We need to stop giving homeowners the ability to veto a new home next door. And I say this as a homeowner who has fully paid off his mortgage and thus has the most to lose when my local property bubble pops.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @09:16AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @09:16AM (#395631)

    Don't forget the roads.