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posted by CoolHand on Wednesday August 31 2016, @05:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the tonight-they're-going-to-pollute-like-its-1999 dept.

Both houses of the California legislature have passed a bill called SB-32 which would tell the California Air Resources Board "to ensure that statewide greenhouse gas emissions are reduced to 40% below the 1990 level by 2030." The state's Democratic governor has issued a statement indicating that he intends to sign it into law.

The Western States Petroleum Association and the California Manufacturers & Technology Association expressed their opposition to the bill.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:21PM

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:21PM (#395661) Journal

    What you're talking about exists and has been around for decades. It's called a ground source heat pump (GSHP). The principle is 6ft down the earth is a constant 55F. So you sink a loop carrying water + antifreeze into the ground and run it back into the house, where you blow air across a manifold to cool the place or boost the temperature 15 deg and circulate through a radiant floor system. It's lovely, comfortable, and saves thousands on heating/cooling costs.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 31 2016, @01:27PM (#395664)

    Or if you live by a lake/sea, you can put the pipe in there.

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:28PM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 31 2016, @06:28PM (#395781) Journal

      Not quite. The lake or sea is ok for cooling, but doesn't work at all for heating. You want to sink it down into a bunch of solid rock (or equivalent...loose stones don't give as good conduction, and water tend to make things cooler. Then you will end up with a yearly average temperature. (I wouldn't claim 55 F, as I suspect it depends on the mean temperature for your area...with a lot of thermal ballast.) You might want to heat or cool away from this temperature, but it would certainly reduce the amount of heating or cooling significantly and THAT reduces the energy requirements. If you keep it running all the time, then it should, over time, adjust to being exactly the temperature you want it to be.

      Please note: You still need to insulate your house well. A well insulated house is the prime requirement, and heaters and coolers should be purely modifiers to that basic temperature. I've heard, though I doubt it, that a house can be insulated well enough that it can be heated in a snowstorm by a candle. This is a bit too extreme to believe, and any house that well insulated would have air quality problems, but it gives you a basic framework. With poor insulation you won't be comfortable unless you like the external temperature no matter what your heater and air conditioner are doing. With good insulation you can get away with quite weak temperature modifications.

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  • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday September 01 2016, @08:21AM

    by anubi (2828) on Thursday September 01 2016, @08:21AM (#396092) Journal

    What you're talking about exists and has been around for decades. It's called a ground source heat pump (GSHP). The principle is 6ft down the earth is a constant 55F.

    Exactly. Its not exactly rocket science. Like you say, not even new. My only twist is phase changing both propane and water in order to store thermal energy ( either to heat or to cool ) driven by solar energy, so that one can continue to have a boosted GSHP operating during times the solar panels aren't putting out sufficient to do the job.

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