Common Dreams reports
Reviled Florida State Attorney Angela Corey lost her reelection bid on [August 30], prompting widespread celebration as the woman The Nation once suggested was "the cruelest prosecutor in America" was ousted.
"Corey's loss is an encouraging sign that the public will no longer tolerate overzealous and unprincipled criminal prosecutions, including women and children", University of Miami law professor Mary Anne Franks said in a statement.
Corey, whose eight-year tenure in Florida's Fourth Judicial Circuit Court saw her charge 77 children as adults in 2016 alone and sentence more people to death than any other Florida prosecutor, gained widespread notoriety for her inadequate prosecution of Trayvon Martin's killer, George Zimmerman, and for seeking a 60-year sentence for Marissa Alexander, a domestic violence survivor with three children, for firing a warning shot in the direction of her abusive husband. (Alexander spent three years in prison.)
[...] Corey was defeated by unknown opponent and corporate lawyer Melissa Nelson, who will now face off with write-in candidate Kenny Leigh in the general election--although Jacksonville media noted that no write-in candidate has ever been elected to the state attorney position in Florida, and that Leigh has yet to make a single campaign appearance.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday September 02 2016, @06:00PM
And I don't think that there is evidence that men are genetically more inspired to commit abuse, except by usually being larger and more powerful.
Please read the article [jrbenjamin.com] I linked.
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by Francis on Friday September 02 2016, @09:50PM
Not really, I have to say this, but, correlation is not causation. People who wind up in prison for violent crimes have a lot of other things in common. Or other situations that commonly occur to them. Things like poverty, exposure to toxic chemicals in childhood, abuse, drug abuse and a lack of positive view of their future.
The evidence isn't there to demonstrate that this gene is the cause as in other places, like Europe, they have similar levels of property crimes, but violent crimes are not anywhere near the levels they are in the US. If it's this gene, then how do you explain that disparity in the violent crime statistics? A huge proportion of Americans came from Europe and one would assume would have similar genes to what they have in Europe.
The reason is most likely that they don't allow boys to be abused the way that they are in the US. They don't allow children to go hungry or to do without necessary education. When criminals are sent to prison, there's a lot more consideration paid to rehabilitation than there is to punishment and their recidivism rates tend to be lower.
In short, the whole idea that this is genetic, requires a lot more support. And I wouldn't personally, take the research of anthropologists seriously as they clearly don't understand how the brain works.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday September 02 2016, @10:01PM
Not really, I have to say this, but, correlation is not causation. People who wind up in prison for violent crimes have a lot of other things in common. Or other situations that commonly occur to them. Things like poverty, exposure to toxic chemicals in childhood, abuse, drug abuse and a lack of positive view of their future.
I never said otherwise. I merely pointed out (or rather the link I posted did), that having a 'Y' chromosome is an excellent predictor (by an order of magnitude) of violent behavior.
Other factors, of course, apply. However, as I mentioned previously, you were complaining about *women*, not poverty or other environmental factors.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Friday September 02 2016, @10:05PM
The reason is most likely that they don't allow boys to be abused the way that they are in the US. They don't allow children to go hungry or to do without necessary education. When criminals are sent to prison, there's a lot more consideration paid to rehabilitation than there is to punishment and their recidivism rates tend to be lower.
In short, the whole idea that this is genetic, requires a lot more support. And I wouldn't personally, take the research of anthropologists seriously as they clearly don't understand how the brain works.
As I have said several times, environmental factors are almost certainly at work here as well.
If you wanted to have a discussion about why people are violent then have that discussion, rather than getting on your bullshit MRA stalking horse.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by Francis on Friday September 02 2016, @11:51PM
So, in other words, you're an idiot.
Bottom line here is that there's ample reason to believe that women are getting off easy here where men aren't. Boys aren't provided with the kind of safe living environment that girls are, aren't provided with support growing up and if they do commit an offense, they're more likely to be convicted and spend more time in prison than women that commit similar crimes.
That's not an MRA stalking horse, that's an accurate reflection of what's going on. You're the one that brought up that pointless bullshit that has little to do with the current situation, not me.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday September 03 2016, @07:52PM
I wouldn't argue with his figures, but his reasoning connecting it directly to genes and ignoring various social and cultural pressures is unconvincing. This is the old argument summarized as "nature vs. nurture" and there are lots of reasons why it's difficult to resolve, and that's one of the reasons I looked at as different a culture as I could find for my "baseline".
OTOH, it's true that the genes of men tend to make them more "vigorous", taller, stronger, and more willing to take risks. These factors in combination with social and other cultural pressures will often cause violence to be more common among men. But the link to violence being directly genetic is, at best, unproven, and quite difficult to even try to prove. It is traditional to assume the link, and there is some evidence indicating that it might be real. I cannot take his bland assertion that it is as valid, and the form of his argument is not linked to genetic mechanisms, but rather to social mechanisms. Also please note that he is a professor of psychology, not of genetics or physiology, so the form of his argument is what would be expected.
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(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Saturday September 03 2016, @08:31PM
It is traditional to assume the link, and there is some evidence indicating that it might be real. I cannot take his bland assertion that it is as valid, and the form of his argument is not linked to genetic mechanisms, but rather to social mechanisms
Those with a 'Y' chromosome are much more likely to commit crime. [telegraph.co.uk] Full Stop.
From the linked article:
Holding other factors constant, having a 'Y' chromosome is an excellent predictor of criminal activity.
How strong the genetic component is may be an open question, but across vastly different human cultures this observation holds true.
More relevant discussion can be had here [theatlantic.com].
You can argue the nature vs. nurture angle all you want, but Dr. Eagleman's statement [jrbenjamin.com] (quoted from this book [amazon.com]):
David Eagleman is not a psychologist, but a neuroscientist [wikipedia.org].
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr