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posted by janrinok on Monday September 05 2016, @06:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the getting-it-wrong dept.

Craig Murray has some thoughts on Uzbekistan's anti-terrorism policies in the wake of Islam Karmimov's death.

Hillary Clinton and John Kerry courted Islam Karimov, Uzbekistan's brutal dictator, every bit as assiduously as George Bush and Donald Rumsfeld.

The west is interested in gas, gold and uranium, but is still more entranced by the allure of the false gold of Uzbekistan's "successful" anti-terrorism strategy. Karimov was courted as the strong man who held Central Asia against Islamic fundamentalism. His methods – imprisoning, torturing and killing anybody who appeared religious – were viewed as admirable. That all reputable sources acknowledge that 10,000 people are imprisoned solely for their political and religious beliefs did not matter. That young men can be imprisoned or "disappeared" solely for growing a beard, or for praying five times a day, was viewed as "effective".

The truth is that western governments wished they could do the same thing. The very first words Karimov ever spoke to me were to congratulate me on the fact that Blair had just instituted detention without charge for terrorism suspects – a prime example of the effect abroad of western abandonment of civil liberties.

But of course banning legitimate religious expression does not halt extremism, it creates extremism through frustration. That is why there are so many Uzbeks fighting with ISIS or the IMU in Afghanistan, why it was Uzbeks who blew up Istanbul airport. Unreasonable repression creates terrorism, which is just the effect of the Prevent programme in the UK – or banning the burkini in France.

Western politicians' idealisation of Karimov shows the attraction to politicians of the idea of absolute power, and the simplicity of their approach to the complex issues being faced across the globe. The destruction of liberty is not the answer.

Craig Murray is an author, broadcaster and human rights activist. He was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004 and Rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 05 2016, @09:40PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 05 2016, @09:40PM (#397900)

    Doesn't get to choose the Heads of State of other countries. So if we want any influence in that country, we have to deal with whoever is in charge - not the paradigm of virtue, wisdom, and administrative efficiency we wish were in charge.

    Yes, Bush and Cheney tried to in Iraq, but most people agree that was a mistake.

    So this blogger, whoever he is, claiming that Clinton and Kerry were ecstatic over this guy's policies is off base. The job as Secretary of State is conduct the foreign policy of the USA, and to do that you have to fly over there and play nice for the TV cameras, for starters. Then you can lecture them about human rights and other things.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by n1 on Monday September 05 2016, @10:26PM

    by n1 (993) on Monday September 05 2016, @10:26PM (#397908) Journal

    Thanks for taking the time to read the summary which includes:

    "Craig Murray [...] was British Ambassador to Uzbekistan from August 2002 to October 2004 and Rector of the University of Dundee from 2007 to 2010."

    Some blogger indeed, probably knows almost nothing about the nuances of foreign policy, or anything about Uzbekistan or Karimov's relationship with the West...

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 06 2016, @03:59AM

    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Tuesday September 06 2016, @03:59AM (#397966)

    The US Sec'y of State Doesn't get to choose the Heads of State of other countries

    Well, sometimes they do... [wikipedia.org]

    This bloke didn't lose an election either [wikipedia.org]