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posted by janrinok on Wednesday September 07 2016, @02:31PM   Printer-friendly
from the my-whoosh-is-bigger-than-yours dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

FRANKFURT -- The gleaming white Porsche with menacing black trim took less than 8 minutes to complete the Nurburgring's demanding Nordschleife circuit. The result was respectable but not spectacular for a 600-hp beast that sprints from 0 to 62 mph in a little more than 3 seconds.

Unlike the Panamera production car, which can easily beat its lap time, the Mission E concept doesn't have camshafts, pistons or valves to mix air and fuel in a combustion chamber or a spark plug to ignite it. It runs on a current of pure electrons supplied by a lithium ion battery, and it can almost fully recharge itself within 15 minutes.

The Tesla Model S doesn't come anywhere close to those specs -- which is the point.

Porsche's 1 billion euro ($1.12 billion) gamble to lure Tesla owners from their beloved electric car is just one example of how much premium European automakers are investing to try and match their Silicon Valley-based rival. Tesla's zero-emissions sports sedan has made Europe's finest automakers look woefully behind the times in an area they typically dominate: technology. The question is whether established brands can win back the hearts and minds of car buyers seeking the next big thing.

Germany's best known sports car maker promises its Mission E, which was teased at last year's Frankfurt auto show, will be "an electric Porsche that deserves the name." That means it will be consistently fast over an extended period with no loss of performance despite repeated accelerating and braking. It is supposed to be the first zero-emissions car worthy of being taken to the racetrack.

Porsche, however, will need years before it can mass produce and sell its electric sports car at a decent profit. Meanwhile, Tesla will continue to deliver tens of thousands of its vaunted sedans and SUVs every year to wealthy progressives around the world, most likely at a loss. "I wish we had put that car on the road and not Tesla," confided a senior engineer at Porsche, not a brand typically prone to technological envy. "We have to earn money at the end of the day though."

[...] Moreover, reputational problems may catch up to it. Allegations have been leveled that Tesla tried to hide suspension flaws in the Model S from the public by forcing customers to sign nondisclosure agreements. More recently, a fatal accident has put its Autopilot in a negative spotlight. Also, when the Model 3 eventually debuts, Tesla will target more demanding consumers, who are not likely to be as forgiving when it comes to the inherent trade-offs of an electric car.

A senior automotive executive at Bosch is convinced that sooner or later Musk will not be able to maintain this startup style showmanship over substance: "At some point as they grow customers won't accept this and Tesla will have to adopt a zero-tolerance approach."


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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 08 2016, @12:28PM

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Thursday September 08 2016, @12:28PM (#399128) Homepage
    > The grills went away in the 90s and early 2000s, and are back, mainly because of pedestrian safety: the low grill-less front ends caused pedestrians to get flipped up onto the windshield, killing them more often. The big, crushable grills give pedestrians lower injuries.

    ?!? In the UK the laws about car shapes are such that pedestrians *do* get scooped up and have a chance to roll across the bonnet and windscreen, losing momentum (i.e. decellerating) slowly, because hitting a vertical grille would simply destroy the entire bottom half of their body in an instant. Crumple zones are for other cars or trees to crumple, not humans.
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    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 08 2016, @10:19PM

      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Thursday September 08 2016, @10:19PM (#399384) Homepage
      "On front-end bumpers, designers have lowered them"
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      "when cars have lower bumpers, the thigh and leg rotate together causing the knee to bend less and thus reducing the likelihood of ligament injuries"

      That's to do what I said - to scoop the pedestrian up, otherwise you get rotation of the lower leg, and basically mangling of the human. The fact that they're softening the bonnet means *they want the human on the bonnet*. Which is what I said.

      And from a quick skim, I didn't see any reference to your "big, crushable grills" at all. Crushable implies less scooping, and less scooping is bad.
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