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Three of the four major candidates for United States president have responded to America's Top 20 Presidential Science, Engineering, Technology, Health and Environmental Questions. The nonprofit advocacy group ScienceDebate.org has posted their responses online. Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump, and Jill Stein had all responded as of press time, and the group was awaiting responses from Libertarian Party candidate Gary Johnson.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by CirclesInSand on Wednesday September 14 2016, @02:21PM
Hillary: Science cannot exist without government and taxes. Government needs to be more involved in research. In fact, more government is the solution to everything. We promise free stuff.
Trump: Science flourishes under the free market, so let's increase government involvement until we have a free market.
Gary Johnson: No response.
Jill Stein: Science gets in the way of our natural utopia with no electricity or plumbing. We promise more free stuff.
(Score: 2) by dyingtolive on Wednesday September 14 2016, @03:21PM
Man, I feel like I need that on a plaque or something.
Don't blame me, I voted for moose wang!
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Wednesday September 14 2016, @04:43PM
Man i feel like you probably have that on a plaque or something (hanging above the fireplace maybe?)
:)
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(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 14 2016, @03:22PM
OK, Johnson wins this round.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Wednesday September 14 2016, @05:40PM
My Summary
Hillary: As president she promises to do $X over and over. As $PREVOUS_GOV_POSITION she was already tackling this issue. Public taxes pay for research and then that research is transferred to private companies to build products. Basically more of the same. Notable exceptions being she would increase defense spending on cyber warfare (probably means more spying). H1B is great and expand visa/green card stuff. Her answers were typically several paragraphs. Took a snipe at Trump during one of her answers.
Trump: The government only has so much money so we'll put it where the priorities are. Crazy people shouldn't be in prison. End government spying. "Climate Change" isn't something to worry about. Tighter fiscal responsibility. His answers were typically one short paragraph to the point.
Jill: Cutting down trees isn't bad as long as it is sustainable. Tear down the entire oil industry. Tear down the nuclear industry. End war on drugs. Remove all funding from cyber warfare and drastically reduce military spending (but not downsizing, so this would probably just be less R&D and offensive stuff. Think less foreign bases and F35-type projects). Help create a UN force responsible for policing cyber attacks at a global level. Free (higher) education. Her answers were usually more technical and not much politics involved.
On a more personal note, I was more for Jill before reading her answers. But her answers made me feel like i was going to need to get a bicycle to survive her administration. I realize though her proposed changes are actually good, just drastic. If more of the country was on electric cars i would be all for it. But i feel like she was the only candidate that was looking for long-term solutions. I'd like her to push for better nuclear though and not just tear it down.
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(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday September 15 2016, @12:11AM
"But her answers made me feel like i was going to need to get a bicycle to survive her administration. "
Only if you're a normal person of course, at least that's how the Greens that are in power where I live do it (they're called watermelons for a reason, they've kept this attitude from before they were green. And yes it's copypasted straight out of the USSR & Mao's China where everyone truly important enough had a car and a driver).
And even with that in mind Jill Stein still beats Hillary and Johnson by a huge margin in my opinion! Likewise Trump easily wins over all of them.
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(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 14 2016, @06:09PM
I think that gives Stein short shrift. I found her answers the best, informed and to the point. Hillary's answers were wonky, empty drivel. Trump's were half Republican reflexive, "laissez-faire!!!" but he did make some solid points. I especially liked his answer on government surveillance.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday September 14 2016, @06:56PM
Here's the ScienceDebate statement by Trump:
Now let's look at some other stuff:
Trump sides with Rubio over Cruz in NSA surveillance debate [thehill.com]
Trump Says He Supports Reauthorizing Patriot Act, NSA Metadata Collection [truthinmedia.com] (same story, longer quote)
Trump calls for bringing back surveillance of Muslim communities [politico.com]
Both Trump And Clinton Suggest Expanding Mass Surveillance, Bogus Watch Lists After Attack In Orlando [techdirt.com]
Donald Trump made some confusing remarks about an internet shutdown or ban, but he appeared to be describing a counterterror plan. [snopes.com]
This clown is an authoritarian just like Hillary. Don't be fooled.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday September 14 2016, @07:24PM
I feel as if you probably didn't read any of the responses. If I hadn't read the responses I'd probably have guessed answers sort of like the ones you said they provided, but that's not what I got from reading them. I did feel that Stein was being to optimistic, that Hillary was frequently being vague, and that Trump was much more reasonable than his speeches (faint praise indeed). And I thought that both Hillary and Trump were lying, but Trump more than Hillary (based on historical records more than internal evidence).
Hillary actually did more hand waving than did Jill Stein, but neither presented a workable program. Trump didn't even present an unworkable program. And I really doubt that Jill Stein would be able to implement her plans, to the extent that they are explicit. Hillary might be able to get much of what she said implemented....perhaps. How much she'd try is another question. I can't make a similar analysis of Trump, because he basically didn't promise to do anything, he mainly said whether he thought things were important or not. And he may even have been telling the truth.
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 14 2016, @07:37PM
Gary Johnson: I'm sorry. I'm still trying to figure out what an aleppo is.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:59AM
Haha, I like your summary even better than mine :)
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