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posted by janrinok on Thursday September 15 2016, @06:03AM   Printer-friendly
from the quick-blame-somebody dept.

Edward Snowden is asking the US president to pardon him based on the morality of his action.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/13/edward-snowden-why-barack-obama-should-grant-me-a-pardon

Well, here is a completely opposite view from the other side, so to speak:

http://observer.com/2016/09/were-losing-the-war-against-terrorism/

"Since 9/11, NSA has been the backbone of the Western intelligence alliance against terrorism. Its signals intelligence is responsible for the strong majority of successful counterterrorism operations in the West. More than three-quarters of the time, NSA or one of its close partner Anglosphere spy partners like Britain's GCHQ, develops a lead on a terror cell which is passed to the FBI and others for action which crushes that cell before it kills. If NSA loses the ability to do this, innocent people in many countries will die.

Unfortunately, there's mounting evidence that NSA's edge over the terrorists is waning. It's impossible not to notice that jihadist emphasis on communications security and encryption, which is now gaining ground, began in 2013. That, of course, is when Edward Snowden, an NSA IT contractor, stole something like 1.7 million classified documents from his employer, shared them with outsiders, then defected to Moscow."

"However, our precious edge in the SpyWar is waning fast. We are no longer winning. We're about to hear a great deal of unwarranted praise of Ed Snowden thanks to the hagiographic movie about him by Oliver Stone that's to be released this week. Don't be fooled. Snowden is no hero. In truth, he and his journalist helpers have aided terrorists in important ways. Snowden and his co-conspirators have blood on their hands—and perhaps much more blood soon thanks to their aid to the genocidal maniacs of ISIS."


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @02:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @02:27PM (#402281)

    What do you mean "backfire?" There was an article on the other site yesterday about GCHQ pushing for a Great Firewall of the UK. Look at all the pork that's gone to drone manufacturers and the F-35, not to mention the security theater at airports.

    The EU is crumbling due to Muslim migration, and a US presidential candidate who's polling pretty well is running mostly on the idea that they should shut down all immigration of Muslims. Just think of the jobs program that border wall will create.

    If you're a lizard and don't really care about human lives beyond keeping them happy enough that they don't organize against you (and do something crazy like elect a democratic socialist or a libertarian), you would say it's been quite successful.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:20PM

    by Jeremiah Cornelius (2785) on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:20PM (#402311) Journal

    "NSA has been the backbone of the Western intelligence alliance against terrorism"

    Just a bullshit thesis. A lie that makes the liar proud of himself and his worldview, based on hubris and delusional self-aggrandizement.

    "Well we can't show you evidence proving this claim, because revealing these secrets would further damage the mission that is saving us all from mortal danger and threatens national existence."

    Always the pearl-clutching security patriotism of the liar.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:30PM

      by Jeremiah Cornelius (2785) on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:30PM (#402313) Journal


      Islamic Jihadi Immigrants 2
      US Far-Right Terrorists 5
      All "Islamic Jihadi" Terrorist including Americans 9
      Armed Toddlers 21
      Lightning 31
      Lawnmowers 69
      Being Hit By A Bus 264
      Falling Out Of Bed 737
      Being Shot By Another American 11,737

      SAVE US, NSA!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:45PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:45PM (#402323)

        Citation needed.

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:56PM

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday September 15 2016, @03:56PM (#402330) Journal

        Falling Out Of Bed 737

        Congrats, I'm too scared to go to sleep now.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by DavePolaschek on Thursday September 15 2016, @05:51PM

        by DavePolaschek (6129) on Thursday September 15 2016, @05:51PM (#402384) Homepage Journal

        Falling Out Of Bed 737

        I initially read that as "Falling out of a 737" and wondered how I had missed THAT news story.

        • (Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday September 15 2016, @06:22PM

          by Jeremiah Cornelius (2785) on Thursday September 15 2016, @06:22PM (#402396) Journal

          Interesting that the next item is 11,737.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2016, @12:11PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2016, @12:11PM (#402724)

            Remember that 73.7% of statistics you read on the internet are made up.

      • (Score: 2) by srobert on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:03PM

        by srobert (4803) on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:03PM (#402521)

        I think somewhere between lightning and lawmowers is being stung to death by bees. Seems like we should wage war on bees and wasps before jihadis if we want to save more lives.

        • (Score: 2) by Fluffeh on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:50PM

          by Fluffeh (954) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:50PM (#402530) Journal

          Arguably, we are already wiping them out through our use of pesticides and the like. I don't think it will be too long before we REALLY start to feel the impact of their vastly diminishing numbers.

    • (Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Thursday September 15 2016, @06:27PM

      by Jeremiah Cornelius (2785) on Thursday September 15 2016, @06:27PM (#402400) Journal

      Another ideological non-term, identifying someone who smokes their breakfast.

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    • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:23PM

      by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday September 15 2016, @11:23PM (#402525)

      It looks to me like the US needs to keep these wars going because it is so lucrative.
      Here are a couple of links which show America's various wars:
      Lots of murdering of native people here [wikipedia.org]

      I haven't checked this [infowars.com]but it looks about right to me.

      If the country's major industry is killing people, you get pretty good at it. Creating your own market is what every business likes to do, so arming a bunch of people you can then go and fight is a good strategy, so is making people so angry they attack you.

      This is what the US does.

      Here is a list of some governments toppled. [globalresearch.ca]

      Some of those were democratically elected.