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An article in The Economist makes the case for "wooden" skyscrapers:
New techniques mean that wood can now be used for much taller buildings. A handful are already going up in cities around the world. The 14-storey Treet block of flats in Bergen, Norway, is currently the tallest. But Brock Commons, an 18-storey wooden dormitory at the University of British Columbia in Canada, is due to be completed in 2017. That is when construction is expected to begin on the 21-storey Haut building in Amsterdam. Arup, a firm of engineering consultants working on the project, says it will be built using sustainable European pine. Some architects have even started designing wooden skyscrapers, like the proposed Tratoppen ("the treetop" illustrated above), a 40-floor residential tower on the drawing-board in Stockholm.
Wood has many attractions as a construction material, apart from its aesthetic qualities. A wooden building is about a quarter of the weight of an equivalent reinforced-concrete structure, which means foundations can be smaller. Timber is a sustainable material and a natural "sink" for CO2, as trees lock in carbon from the atmosphere. Tall steel-and-concrete buildings tend to have a large carbon footprint, in part because of the amount of material required to support them. Using wood could reduce their carbon footprint by 60-75%, according to some studies.
There are two main concerns about using wood to build high. The first is whether wood is strong enough. In recent years there have been big advances in "engineered" wood, such as cross-laminated timber (CLT) made from layers of timber sections glued together with their grains at right angles to one another. In much the same way that aligning carbon-fibre composites creates stronger racing cars, aircraft and golf clubs, CLT imparts greater rigidity and strength to wooden structures. A recent experiment by Skidmore, Owings & Merrill, a firm of architects, and Oregon State University, shows how strong engineered wood can be. The researchers used CLT in a hybrid form known as concrete-jointed timber. This featured an 11-metre wide CLT floor section with a thin layer of reinforced concrete spread across the surface. Thicker sections of concrete were added where the floor was supported by pillars. It was put into a giant test rig where a powerful hydraulic press pushed with increasing force onto the surface. The researchers wanted to see how the structure moved under load, but kept pressing in order to find its limits. The floor finally began to crack when the load reached a massive 82,000 pounds (37,200kg), around eight times what it was designed to support.
If you want to know what the second main concern is, you'll have to read the article. 😉
(Score: -1, Troll) by zugedneb on Tuesday September 20 2016, @09:09AM
Eventually all organic materials will be munched on by something.
It will take expensive equipment to monitor the bulk material in the building, and nasty poison to keep the munching at a minimum.
From Teh Fucking Article:
What about woodworm and rot? “If you don’t look after it, steel and concrete will fail just as quickly as timber,” says Michael Ramage, head of the Centre for Natural Material Innovation at the University of Cambridge in Britain.
honestly, i would have executed this person, and his entire family for this sentence.
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 20 2016, @09:27AM
honestly, i would have executed this person, and his entire family for this sentence.
You should rape his daughters after you kill them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 20 2016, @07:30PM
So, you're a necrophiliac as well....
(Score: 4, Informative) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday September 20 2016, @09:36AM
Used properly, wood is very durable. Where I live you can't swing a dead civil engineer without hitting at least two buildings held up by 300+ year old timbers. TFA even references a five-storey wooden building that has stood for 1400 years. In an earthquake zone. Expect to be modded -1 Uninformed Bile.
(Score: -1, Troll) by zugedneb on Tuesday September 20 2016, @10:40AM
TFA even references a five-storey wooden building that has stood for 1400 years. In an earthquake zone
i know about that particular building.
it was made by jews, and withstood nazi attacks for 1400 years now...
jews op, confirmed
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 20 2016, @10:21AM
(Score: 1) by telemin on Tuesday September 20 2016, @10:24AM
Please keep this kind of unpleasantness to yourself. The rest of SN is trying to have a sensible grown-up conversation.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by zugedneb on Tuesday September 20 2016, @10:37AM
there has been a lot of shit linked to uninformative articles lately, or mostly i should say...
if you want a grown-up conversation, link me an article that does not demand an education in the field.
if there is a lot of new science, do not come with bullshit fucking laminated material that has been around for hundreds of years (bows), come with some reals shit.
so wtf is fucking new here?
I FUCKING DEMAND A 10 PAGE I-DEPTH ARTICLE!!!!
fucking morons
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 4, Informative) by butthurt on Tuesday September 20 2016, @01:04PM
The central column of Horyuji temple in Japan is from a tree that was cut down around the year 594.
http://web-japan.org/trends00/honbun/tj010330.htm [web-japan.org]
http://www.timetravelturtle.com/2013/05/horyuji-japan-oldest-wooden-building/ [timetravelturtle.com]
Reinforced concrete structures were built on Hashima Island (which is in the harbour of Nagasaki) beginning in 1916; the site was abandoned in 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashima_Island [wikipedia.org]
Damage to the concrete such as broken-off pieces large cracks has occurred already.
http://www.unmissablejapan.com/etcetera/battleship-island [unmissablejapan.com]
http://www.messynessychic.com/2012/10/29/the-bond-villains-lair-skyfalls-abandoned-island/ [messynessychic.com]
The salt and moisture in sea mists have probably hastened corrosion of the reinforcing steel. Some modern rebar would better resist corrosion.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforced_concrete [wikipedia.org]
Moisture can damage even unreinforced concrete, making it swell when the cement and aggregate react chemically. In England, a bridge built in 1969 is being replaced because of the problem.
http://www.highways.gov.uk/roads/road-projects/a38-merafield-bridge-replacement/ [highways.gov.uk]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete_cancer [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Grishnakh on Tuesday September 20 2016, @09:31PM
Take a look at Roman concrete for a counterexample on the durability of concrete. There's Roman ports with concrete submerged in saltwater in excellent shape after 2000 years. And the Roman Pantheon still has the largest unreinforced concrete dome for a roof, still standing after 1900 years.
Yes, crappy concrete doesn't last that long; that's no surprise, and it's even worse when you add uncoated steel rebar, which causes galvanic corrosion of the concrete.
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Wednesday September 21 2016, @12:14AM
I wouldn't call it "galvanic corrosion of the concrete." Rather, what can happen is that moisture permeates into the concrete, reaches the rebar, and causes it to rust. When rebar rusts, the rust occupies more space than the unrusted steel; the expansion can cause the concrete to crack, or cause pieces to break off ("spalling").
What you say about Roman concrete is true. However,the concrete used today is made differently. The Roman breakwater you may have been referring to was studied to learn how the Romans made their concrete. Imitating their formulations is being promoted as a way to lessen emissions of carbon dioxide (7% of our carbon dioxide emissions are from cement-making).
https://newscenter.lbl.gov/2013/06/04/roman-concrete/ [lbl.gov]
http://ammin.geoscienceworld.org/content/98/10/1669 [geoscienceworld.org]
The Pantheon has been in continuous use since it was built. I wonder whether some maintenance is done that has been a factor in its longevity.
In the forbidden zone on Cyprus, concrete buildings abandoned since 1974 are falling apart.
http://www.lovethesepics.com/2013/09/from-beach-resort-paradise-to-rotting-ruins-crumbling-mediterranean-ghost-town/ [lovethesepics.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Wednesday September 21 2016, @03:36PM
In the forbidden zone on Cyprus, concrete buildings abandoned since 1974 are falling apart.
Yes, but as you pointed out earlier, modern concrete is made differently. You don't need to abandon concrete for it to fall apart; the Northeast is chock full of falling-apart concrete stuff that has been maintained. Sidewalks, in particular, are really bad; I used to live in NJ and they constantly replaced sidewalks in sections because they'd go bad from all the salt used in the winter.
One big advantage with the Roman concrete (aside from its different formulation) is that it isn't steel-reinforced, so it doesn't have the expansion problem you point out.
If we want to make really long-lived concrete structures (which we don't; we don't care about longevity as a society and aren't interested in spending extra money to achieve it), we'd figure out how to make concrete more like Roman concrete, then we'd reinforce it with heavily powder-coated steel I would think, to prevent corrosion.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Wednesday September 21 2016, @07:42PM
We know how to make Roman concrete. Basically, replace most of the water with fly-ash. The Romans used volcanic ash (look up Pozzolanic cement).
The reason we don't make it today is that you have to tamp it down really hard, and continuously, as you add it to the form, and it takes a really long time to set.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday September 21 2016, @07:56PM
Well it'd be interesting if someone *did* start making things out of it then. Fly-ash is a readily-available byproduct of coal-fired power plants, and considered a hazardous waste, so it'd be nice if it was used for something productive. And Roman-style concrete should last far longer than the crap we use now. Of course, everyone wants everything in a hurry these days, so good luck getting anyone to adopt it, but if anyone did, it should be governments because they should have a vested interest in making things that last a really long time (infrastructural things like bridges for instance).
(Score: 2) by butthurt on Thursday September 22 2016, @12:19AM
you have to tamp it down really hard, and continuously, as you add it to the form
One of the pages to which I linked said that it was laid, not poured, because the aggregate used by the Romans was coarser than what we use today. The use of fly ash from the burning of coal, to approximate pozzolana, was advocated. I gather that fly ash is being used, but isn't the norm.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by deimtee on Thursday September 22 2016, @10:35AM
Regarding being laid, that was pretty much what I meant. You throw a layer in, then pound it down until there are no voids left, then do it again, ad nauseum. The mixture is barely damp so it doesn't settle like modern concrete. Fly ash does the same as pozzolana, it replaces water in the mix and fills the voids that the water in modern concrete leaves. The two main reasons for Roman concrete durability are the extra binding by the silica, and the lack of voids in the final structure. Making something porous is a good way to make it temporary.
If you cough while drinking cheap red wine it really cleans out your sinuses.