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posted by janrinok on Tuesday September 20 2016, @08:58PM   Printer-friendly
from the I'll-drink-to-that dept.

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Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html

Widespread spiking of drinks with date-rape drugs such as Rohypnol and GHB is an "urban legend" fuelled by young women unwilling to accept they have simply consumed too much alcohol, academics believe. A study of more than 200 students revealed many wrongly blamed the effects of a "bad night out" on date-rape drugs, when they had just drunk excessively.

Many are in "active denial" that drinking large amounts of alcohol can leave them "incoherent and incapacitated", the Kent University researchers concluded. Young women's fears about date-rape drugs are so ingrained that students mistakenly think it is a more important factor in sexual assault than being drunk, taking drugs or walking alone at night.

The study, published in the British Journal of Criminology, found three-quarters of students identified drink spiking as an important risk – more than alcohol or drugs. More than half said they knew someone whose drink had been spiked.

But despite popular beliefs, police have found no evidence that rape victims are commonly drugged with such substances, the researchers said.

Dr Adam Burgess from the university's School of Social Policy, Sociology and Social Research, said: "Young women appear to be displacing their anxieties about the consequences of consuming what is in the bottle on to rumours of what could be put there by someone else.


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  • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Wednesday September 21 2016, @03:29AM

    by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Wednesday September 21 2016, @03:29AM (#404640) Homepage Journal

    Yes, womyn-born-womyn do retroactively remove consent.

    Please read this. It's Slate so you don't have to worry I'm linking you to some subversive men's rights source.

    According to the article you linked, the "victim" said she didn't remember the encounter. It was her mother who invaded her privacy and decided to file a complaint.

    Regardless, this doesn't invalidate my experience. I have never engaged in non-consensual (this includes drug/alcohol impairment) sexual activity. When there has been any question in my mind about consensuality, I always made sure that consent was given. I've been in a number of situations where it was unclear whether or not consent was given (or even possible), and have *never* run into such a situation.

    Am I an aberration? I think not.

    As an aside, is it possible that your somewhat obsessive battle with TERFs (who are pretty much nuts anyway [wordpress.com]) has given you a skewed view of women in general? That's not an accusation or a judgement, just a suggestion toward self-reflection.

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  • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday September 21 2016, @10:44AM

    by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Wednesday September 21 2016, @10:44AM (#404735) Journal

    Let's review the portion of that incident where the rape victim did finally remember:

    [Friend] recalled that [victim] explained that the diary “contained descriptions of romantic and sexual experiences, drug use, and drinking.” (CB confirmed the contents of the diary in her own deposition.) During the phone call, [victim] asked [friend] if she remembered the night [victim] had sex with Sterrett. [Friend] didn’t, because [victim] had never mentioned it. Now [victim] told her, “I said no, no, and then I gave in.” Eventually, as described in [victim]’s deposition, [victim]’s mother called the university to report that [victim] would be making a complaint against Sterrett. [victim]’s mother drove her to campus, and [victim] met with Heather Cowan.

    So, it wasn't that the victim didn't remember it. The friend didn't remember it, because the victim hadn't mentioned it. The victim did remember it, but then she retroactively removes consent. Why? To save face with her mother.

    Here's another example [mlive.com] of a womyn-born-womyn caught lying about rape, all to save face about her status as one of the “lesbian race.” I've also firsthand caught a womyn-born-womyn in a damned lie about rape, again to save face with her family.

    See the common pattern? Consent tends to be revoked retroactively to save face.

    I've also seen attempts to entice men I know into paternal fraud (“oh, I just want your sperm, I won't claim you're the father!”) and statutory rape (with an almost 18 that would not fucking shut up and leave my friend the fuck alone, not MikeeUSA-type stuff) in addition to flat out rape.

    As far as TERFs influencing my view of womyn-born-womyn, it's possible I'm sure. Why would I want to take legal risks like talking to strange women to find out otherwise? According to my date rape training, if a womyn-born-womyn I've spoken to is raped later in the night by somebody else, I'll be held accountable as an accessory to rape on the grounds that I conspired to spike her drink (even using my T-900 advanced infiltrator [wikia.com]-class woman [wikipedia.org] suit [wikipedia.org] to get her to drop her guard).

    On campus that meant my transcripts would be sealed and I would be instantly expelled. In the real world, that means a he-said-she-said-bathroom-rapist-faggot-said court battle, which would likely cost me my job and make me homeless.

    You can't just look at TERFs. Here comes the alt-right on a crusade to protect the Hunnies from my advanced infiltrator woman suit! But it's not just about me and my woman suit. The alt-right will just as easily come down on you to protect a Hunny if she needs to save face after the fact because obviously you're a creep. In other words, it's not just feminists you need to worry about. It's a guy who has a nicer car than you or a bigger bank account you need to worry about. Plenty of guys love to side with the Hunny when she says “rape” if it means knocking the “competition” (you) down.

    Now, I admit, it's certainly possible that the alt-right hasn't been influenced by Raymond and Dworkin and came to strikingly similar conclusions somewhat independently. There could also be a tea kettle in Saturn's rings. TERFs like Raymond and Dworkin worked pretty hard to smear trans women as bathroom rapists and invaders (i.e. infiltrator-class terminators and you'd better batcha an advanced infiltrator model like me scares the bejeezus out of them, not unlike The Thing [wikipedia.org]), and it looks like it's paying off.

    It all comes back to those M&Ms [slate.com] (remember, never Skittles! Skittles are racist!). You're the one good M&M for now. How long until somebody else who's a better M&M accuses you of being one of the poisoned M&Ms? Have a wife and think that ring will protect you? Nope. All it takes is an accusation of marital rape, and *boom*, you're a poisoned M&M, indistinguishable from MikeeUSA and/or Buffalo Bill.

    You're on shaky ground having contact with womyn-born-womyn outside of business. I wouldn't say you're an aberration. I'd say you're damned lucky.

    And good grief, that doesn't even get into the Misogynerd Narrative, but that's a different topic only slightly related by way of the homophobic “sexually frustrated” myth.

    This study about date rape will be completely ignored, and in fact, I'll be surprised if the people who conducted the study aren't accused of being pro-rape.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by NotSanguine on Wednesday September 21 2016, @11:40AM

      by NotSanguine (285) <NotSanguineNO@SPAMSoylentNews.Org> on Wednesday September 21 2016, @11:40AM (#404743) Homepage Journal

      I wouldn't say you're an aberration. I'd say you're damned lucky.

      Thanks for the correction (WRT the Slate article), and the explanation of your point of view.

      I don't know. In the 32 years that I've been sexually active, I've never come across a woman who falsely cried rape, nor do I know anyone who has experienced that.

      Please note that I live in a *very* large city and have lived in/traveled to many places in the US. I am not a sheltered/cloistered religious type either. I've pretty much always been a sex, drugs and rock 'n' roll kind of guy. That's not to say I attempt to get inside any panties that walk past me, but I'm not a shrinking violet either.

      Perhaps I (and every other male I know) have been, as you say, "damned lucky." But that seems unlikely. Then again, I'm middle-aged, not a teen or twenty-something guy who may deal with immaturity (both his own and that of women his age) more often than I do.

      At the same time, I was once that age too and managed to get through without being set upon by a romantic interest, girlfriend, lover, fling or one-night stand. So maybe I was just living right.

      Then again, I've generally been a pretty good judge of people and try hard to be trustworthy. So maybe I've just avoided the *really* crazy people.

      Or perhaps it's a generational thing, but false rape accusations weren't prevalent (the term "rare" would be overkill, as I recall) when I was that age, at least not within my peer groups or in the media. I wonder what's different now? Perhaps it's because that generation grew up with their whole lives on display in a way that didn't happen when I was young.

      Or perhaps false rape accusations happen at a similar frequency as they did in the past, but we just hear about it more, since everything is magnified through the scourge of "social media."

      Who knows? Who cares? Not me.

      In any case, I see no reason to change what's worked for me my whole adult life.

      I've never had a desire to tell anyone how they should live their life or interact with others, and I won't start now. I think I understand your concerns about this and I'm sure you know what's best for you.

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      • (Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday September 22 2016, @07:04PM

        by sjames (2882) on Thursday September 22 2016, @07:04PM (#405232) Journal

        Part of it may be situational. Since you and I were of college age, many schools have developed internal procedures and punishments for rape that do not involve police or the courts and do not require proof beyond reasonable doubt. In some cases they don't even allow defensive testimony or cross examination.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 21 2016, @02:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 21 2016, @02:06PM (#404780)

      As far as TERFs influencing my view of womyn-born-womyn, it's possible

      understatement of the year