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posted by janrinok on Sunday September 25 2016, @08:52PM   Printer-friendly
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EU ministers demand complete restart of the controversial trade deal that has sparked mass protests across the continent. European Union ministers today admitted that a giant EU-US trade deal is dead in its current form, with drastic change needed to salvage any hope of a deal going ahead.

The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership [TTIP] has sparked a widespread backlash and now lies in tatters in the wake of massive protests across the continent.

Austrian Economy Minister Reinhold Mitterlehner said that the pact now has, "such negative connotations", that the best hope was to "completely relaunch with a new name after the US elections. Mitterlehner also demanded "more transparency and clearer objectives." Negotiations for the free-trade zone have so far been held behind closed doors.

Slovak economy minister Peter Ziga, was similarly pessimistic, saying that a "new start or some new approach [was] needed, while EU trade commissioner " Cecilia Malmstroem said the likelihood of a deal was "becoming smaller and smaller", as she entered the talks.

Several EU representatives blamed US intransigence for the gridlock. The deal now has "only a small chance of success unless the United States starts to give a bit of ground," Belgian Finance Minister Didier Reynders said.

Public services, especially the NHS [National Health Service], are in the firing line. One of the main aims of TTIP is to open up Europe's public health, education and water services to US companies. This could essentially mean the privatisation of the NHS. The European Commission has claimed that public services will be kept out of TTIP. However, according to The Huffington ost, the UK Trade Minister Lord Livingston has admitted that talks about the NHS were still on the table

[...] The EU has admitted that TTIP will probably cause unemployment as jobs switch to the US, where labour standards and trade union rights are lower. It has even advised EU members to draw on European support funds to compensate for the expected unemployment. Examples from other similar bi-lateral trade agreements around the world support the case for job losses. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) between the US, Canada and Mexico caused the loss of one million US jobs over 12 years, instead of the hundreds of thousands of extra that were promised


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 25 2016, @11:17PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 25 2016, @11:17PM (#406425)

    Translation: They want their money to let them skip ahead of the people that are far more frail and likely to suffer complications.

    IE: Poor people should just die so the rich (relatively speaking) can get their sprained ankle looked at a bit faster.

    (This is why it's considered taboo by the rich to talk about it. Most of them realize they're going to look like huge, insensitive, self-absorbed dicks.)

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @12:58AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @12:58AM (#406462)

    Translation of translation:

    Money is evil. Governments are good. Health care should be run by bureaucracy.

    What on earth is wrong with the idea that someone could walk up to a doctor who is not otherwise occupied, and say: "Listen, man, I got this pain in my knee. If you check it out, I got a crisp benjamin for you." as opposed to waiting in line while what used to be a simpler problem becomes compounded?

    And why would people with money always throw all the money at it, rather than cherry-picking the urgent concerns as opposed to when they'll just pop an aspirin and wait for the edge to be taken off?

    And if people with money do throw it at the medical industry, and we all get better medical care for it because now they can afford better equipment, rather than what a government budget decides they can get on any given year, why's that so bad?

    Referring to the other post that pointed out canadian medical tourism, you're not going to prevent money from being spent, just dictate that it can't be spent in your country. Brilliant thinking at work.

    • (Score: 2) by sjames on Monday September 26 2016, @03:02AM

      by sjames (2882) on Monday September 26 2016, @03:02AM (#406515) Journal

      The doctor is not otherwise unoccupied unless it's because people couldn't afford to have then look at their severe chest pain radiating down their arm. 'Grats, your pampered tushie got a band-aid and gramps got a pine box.

      And why would people with money always throw all the money at it, rather than cherry-picking the urgent concerns as opposed to when they'll just pop an aspirin and wait for the edge to be taken off?

      And yet the best example you could come up was exactly throwing money at a condition that is far from urgent.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @04:33AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @04:33AM (#406535)

        Oh, right. All doctors that aren't working 24/7 are slacking off.

        .... wait, what?

        Bullshit. Doctors have variable workloads. Things happen in bursts, or in cycles. Twelve car pile-up? Yeah, it's going to be busy in the ER and the OR. College kids went home to be drunk and stupid somewhere else? It'll be quieter.

        If every doctor is constantly overbooked and overworked, you have a massive systemic problem to which the answer is to get the AMA to let people educate more doctors, not prevent people from negotiating for services rendered.

        Even freaking Canada had to admit that just maybe the sky wouldn't fall if a private individual and a licensed physician came to a private arrangement for care.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Monday September 26 2016, @05:40AM

          by sjames (2882) on Monday September 26 2016, @05:40AM (#406544) Journal

          If there really is slack time, why would you pay a Benjamin to go to the front of the non-existent line?

          Meanwhile, I do hope "A Benjamin" was meant colloquially since you'll need 3 of them to get a dose of Tylenol at a hospital.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday September 26 2016, @01:56PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Monday September 26 2016, @01:56PM (#406643)

      Usually in the civilized world, we like to think that it goes without saying why bribery and corruption are bad.

      --
      "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"