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posted by martyb on Sunday September 25 2016, @10:44PM   Printer-friendly
from the changing-tide? dept.

The Washington Post reports that a police officer has been charged with "first-degree manslaughter" after the on-duty, fatal shooting of Terence Crutcher in Tulsa, Oklahoma. If found guilty, she would be imprisoned for at least four years. KJRH-TV has a transcript of the district attorney's press conference.


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  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Monday September 26 2016, @12:00AM

    by MostCynical (2589) on Monday September 26 2016, @12:00AM (#406440) Journal

    anyone taking bets on a conviction, or a suspended sentence?

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday September 26 2016, @12:26AM

    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Monday September 26 2016, @12:26AM (#406449) Homepage

    I'm betting on a chimpout. Oh, wait, there is one, in Charlotte.

    And chuckling inside...my redneck friend who had roots in Oklahoma told me stories about how Tulsa was fucked up...back in the 1990's when I was a wee lad. It's time to listen to some good ol' Americana, Up Against the Wall Redneck Mother. [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @01:24AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @01:24AM (#406479)

      Now go back to the 1920s.
      There was a district of Tulsa called Greenwood also known as "The Black Wall Street of the West".

      The Whites didn't like that so they used aerial incendiary bombing and personal firearms to attempt to wipe it out in 1921.
      Tulsa race riot [wikipedia.org]

      Tulsa has always been a racist, fucked-up place.

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      • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Monday September 26 2016, @02:24AM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Monday September 26 2016, @02:24AM (#406505) Homepage

        Absolutely disgraceful. I may be a politically incorrect bastard but I believe in the freedom of all men and that Americans should be benevolent.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @05:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 26 2016, @05:43PM (#406705)

        your summary of the events you linked to is bullshit. While i'm sure many poor whites didn't like the Negros getting "all uppity" with their financial success in greenwood and it was one of many grudges harbored, it wasn't why the riot/conflict started nor does it appear to be the main reason things escalated. It was about some negro allegedly raping a white girl/woman that, due to racial tensions (with many reasons/excuses on both sides, i'm sure) escalated to a mini war in which the whites, no doubt had an advantage. There's enough of a story where you don't have to make shit up, jackass.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Snotnose on Monday September 26 2016, @01:34AM

    by Snotnose (1623) on Monday September 26 2016, @01:34AM (#406486)

    No conviction is my bet. My understanding is a conviction is a sentence, judge can't suspend it on their own.

    Then again, I'm not a lawyer, don't live in OK, so that's 2 strikes against my understanding.

    My reading? She needs to go to prison, send a strong message to cops you can't just shoot people because reasons. My guess? She'll get off, prolly fired from the police force, but be allowed to live her life without a felony conviction following her around.

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by BK on Monday September 26 2016, @02:18AM

    by BK (4868) on Monday September 26 2016, @02:18AM (#406503)

    Smart money says she gets off on a hung jury or an outright acquittal. Not a lawyer and definitely not current on Oklahoma law, but this is going to be a tough conviction. This isn't just because of the inherent conflict of interest between police and the rest of the judiciary, but also because of the way the law about things like murder and manslaughter work.

    If I (or you) were to shoot some guy in a random parking lot and claim self defense (fearing for our life!), we'd face a skeptical judicial system and lots of questions. Why were we there in the first place? Why did we have a gun? Why did we draw our weapon? Why did we point it at a person? What caused us to fear for our life? Why didn't we retreat? (even in a 'stand your ground' state, the question will be asked) Finally, why we actually pull the trigger?

    Presumably, the parking lot is one you visit all of the time... otherwise you're almost certain to lose. You can claim the 2nd amendment for 'Why did you have a gun?'... but only if you customarily carry. Each step beyond that point will be used by the prosecution to show criminal intent. You drew your weapon because you wanted to shoot a Big Scary Black Man. You feared for your life because of the Big Scary Black Man. You are a racist because you sang 'Nigger' in the lyrics of some song in High School. The jury is ultimately told that they can infer intent and weight the facts as they choose. That's you and me.

    For a policeperson, it's harder... She is armed because she is required to be armed. She is there because she was told to be. She engaged with the Big Scary Black Man because her supervisor told her to. She drew her weapon because that's police procedure. She feared for her life because she was told in training that people (especially Big Scary Black Men) who don't enthusiastically comply with degrading and contradictory commands from policepersons and who position themselves so that one or more hands are out of view are surely armed and about to kill her. And the thing is, that's all true.

    So she feared for her life because she had been taught to. And she was acting in accordance with well established police procedure. Or maybe she wasn't. Maybe she did everything by the book... and in the last moment she accidentally pulled the trigger (making it just an accident). She's real sorry someone died. Is there evidence to disprove either theory? Either is reasonable doubt.

    Manslaughter usually requires gross negligence or recklessness. Either is going to be hard to show. Honestly, I think there is a better case to be made for either against whichever policeperson was in command at the scene.

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