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Some people were wondering (well, I was at least), why Julian Assange seems to take such an active role in the USA presidency election (by publishing delicate emails at a sensitive point in time). While both candidates are somewhat controversial, the current leaks seem to be quite focused on the democrats candidate, Hillary Clinton. A tweet sent from wikileaks twitter-account, referencing this story on truepundit, might shed some light on these animosities between Hillary Clinton and Julian Assange: Allegedly, Clinton suggested in 2010 to kill Assange with a drone:
"Can't we just drone this guy?" Clinton openly inquired, offering a simple remedy to silence Assange and smother Wikileaks via a planned military drone strike, according to State Department sources. The statement drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, "walking around" freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States.
This might heat up expectations and speculations regarding the announced upcoming leaks. Another interesting question might be, how neutral will the Ecuadorian government stay in this struggle. Afterall, Julian Assange does rely on their hospitality at the moment. Will they stay out of it? Or might they have some vested interest to make sure the future US-president is from the democrats? Or would they actually be interested to see Trump being elected?
takyon: WikiLeaks' Assange signals release of documents before U.S. election
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said on Tuesday the group would publish about one million documents related to the U.S. election and three governments in coming weeks, but denied the release was aimed at damaging Hillary Clinton. Assange, speaking via a video link, said the documents would be released before the end of the year, starting with an initial batch in the coming week. Assange, 45, who remains at the Ecuadoran embassy in London where he sought refuge in 2012 to avoid possible extradition to Sweden, said the election material was "significant" and would come out before the Nov. 8 U.S. presidential election.
[...] "The material that WikiLeaks is going to publish before the end of the year is of ... a very significant moment in different directions, affecting three powerful organizations in three different states as well as ... the U.S election process," he said via a video link at an event marking the group's 10th anniversary. He said the material would focus on war, weapons, oil, mass surveillance, the technology giant Google and the U.S. election, but declined to give any details. "There has been a misquoting of me and Wikileaks publications ... (suggesting) we intend to harm Hillary Clinton or I intend to harm Hillary Clinton or that I don't like Hillary Clinton. All those are false," he said.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by tangomargarine on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:16PM
While both candidates are somewhat controversial, the current leaks seem to be quite focused on the democrats candidate, Hillary Clinton.
Maybe it's just the echo chamber, but it seems rather clear that Trump is crazy. What's less clear is how Clinton compares, so more data about bad things Hillary has done is more useful.
Especially when Trump's never held public office so you can't really shine a light on that to begin with.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:22PM
RE: but it seems rather clear that Trump is crazy
Is that really true?
You know, I'll think for myself, thank you.
2016: HILLARY! for prison
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday October 04 2016, @06:25PM
Yes, it is really true.
How far would he have to go to convince you? Is there a crazy line somewhere, anywhere that he could or has already crossed?
Now, please don't think I'm exactly thrilled with Hillary as the alternative. But I don't believe she is actually crazy.
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(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday October 04 2016, @07:52PM
I'd guess he was making a joke about my Discordian signature.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by arslan on Wednesday October 05 2016, @01:55AM
Oh? Facts please! And no, statements from the biased media doesn't count... and before you quote inflammatory remarks, remember all politicians, including Hillary does that, Trump seems to be less PC is all. He does seem xenophobic, though that may be radical for a very PC nation like the U.S., it is par for the course in some nations.
But to label him actually as crazy, I'm really curious to hear why.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @08:01PM
RE: but it seems rather clear that Trump is crazy
Is that really true?
You know, I'll think for myself, thank you.
Good! When are you planning on starting?
Not really a mistake that a drug-using pervert on Talk Radio whose followers are now all Trump supporters used to refer to themselves as "ditto-heads". Thinking, for alt-righters, it burns!!! "Please make it stop, sirrah?"
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:34PM
She blatantly asked if she could use military equipment to execute a citizen of an allied nation living in another allied nation's capital because she doesn't like him poking his nose where she thinks it shouldn't be.
She could be the Commander in Chief of the most well-funded military in the history of Earth within months.
Let that sink in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @05:56PM
living in another allied nation's capital
You didn't read the link or you failed in reading comprehension.
Making errors like that limit your comment's influence to the already converted.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday October 04 2016, @06:09PM
Hey, you don't need to convince me. I'm planning to vote third party.
A lot of people really hate Hillary but don't seem to have concrete reasons for it when I want to hear them. This is a pretty concrete one :P
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by Zz9zZ on Tuesday October 04 2016, @06:23PM
Same shit different day. If this is some sort of surprise for you... well... umm ya dunno what to tell you. Obama made a joke about droning some kid dating his daughter, Trump wanted to know why we can't just nuke the middle east, and I don't have details offhand but I'm pretty sure most presidents have done/said some evil shit like this.
I don't like either two popular candidates and will be voting for anyone else, but these revelations are less about uncovering the truth and more about getting citizens to pull their heads out of their asses.
~Tilting at windmills~
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday October 04 2016, @06:27PM
Regan: we start bombing in five minutes. (Or something like that.)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @07:02PM
Obama made a joke about droning some kid dating his daughter...
The key point being, if you believe the article, Clinton didn't appear to be joking:
The statement drew laughter from the room which quickly died off when the Secretary kept talking in a terse manner, sources said. Clinton said Assange, after all, was a relatively soft target, “walking around” freely and thumbing his nose without any fear of reprisals from the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @07:19PM
She blatantly asked if she could use military equipment to execute a citizen of an allied nation
No she didn't. Somebody made a completely unsubstantiated allegation with no evidence to back them up. In fact, the allegation is anonymous, so for all we know it is Putin or Assange making the allegation, and they've provided not a single shred of evidence to back up the claim.
This isn't "shining a light where it's needed," it's shooting out the bulbs, screaming nonsense, and hoping it'll take people 36 days or more to figure out what they did (by which time it is too late).
How did so many people with so little common sense manage to pack these forums. Makes you think it's almost deliberate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @08:33PM
Multiple people have called for Assange to be killed. It wouldn't surprise me if Hillary is one of them. That said, without concrete evidence, saying she definitely said it is dishonest.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @07:00PM
What's less clear is how Clinton compares, so more data about bad things Hillary has done is more useful.
Except there is NO DATA, only unsubstantiated allegations. She's had 25+ years of unsubstantiated allegations like this, all of which have been debunked (at a cost of over $100,000,000 in public money -- thank you Republicans for such a colossal waste). This is no different. It's an unsubstantiated allegation, presented with no evidence, by someone known to be an actor for hostile foreign powers interfering in Americas presidential elections. Only a complete fool, or someone with their head shoved so far up their partisan ass they cannot see the nose in front of their face, would be comfortable with wikileaks and Putin targeting the electoral process like this.
They're counting on this taking more than 36 days to debunk thoroughly, while in the meantime rubes like you take their nonsense onboard as "data".
It is the opposite of helpful, it will befuddle those who don't have the time or energy to research Hillary Clinton's past (looking at actual facts, not debunked allegations. Hint: she's about as clean as they come, but you wouldn't know that by reading headlines and comments posted here and elsewhere by masses of either uninformed, or deliberately misinforming, people). This kind of intellectual laziness and fallacious thinking could well end up electing Donald Trump, someone with the same personality flaws that Hitler, Stalin, and other historical figures we'd rather not have leading us, have had, and it should scare the living shit out of anyone with any knowledge of history and two brain cells to rub together.
It is disappointing that even here such logical fallacies manage to befuddle so many.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by tangomargarine on Tuesday October 04 2016, @07:57PM
(Score: 1, Informative)
This is literally the opposite of informative. The AC is telling us to stop looking for evidence.
Guess we'll just take your word for it, then. I'm sure you're a totally impartial Anonymous Coward.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @08:53PM
This is literally the opposite of informative. The AC is telling us to stop looking for evidence.
Evidence? That word does not mean what you think it means.
Unsubstantiated accusations from anonymous sources without a shred of evidence as to their veracity is not Evidence. It is noise, and should be dismissed as such.
As another pointed out, it was debunked 24 hours ago and doesn't even pass the laugh test.
There are morons about, but they aren't the ones pointing out the absurdity of this. They are the ones engaging in these ridiculous false equivalencies, false dichotomies, and equating anonymous, baseless accusations to evidence.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday October 05 2016, @01:36PM
Evidence? That word does not mean what you think it means.
I didn't say there *was* evidence in this case, just that we shouldn't ostrich and decide there's nothing to look for because an Anonymous Coward told us so.
doesn't even pass the laugh test.
Highly subjective.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @09:06PM
> It is disappointing that even here such logical fallacies manage to befuddle so many.
Actually, it should be no surprise.
This site is full of people who focused on engineering, math and science and neglected topical endeavors like history, psychology, public service, philosophy and political science. Expecting them to recognize sociological bullshit is like expecting a beauty queen to know why bubble sorts are a bad idea. They are essentially babes in the woods when it comes stuff like this, even worse they don't even realize they are ignorant, they think they are brilliantly informed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 05 2016, @07:50AM
Don't feed the troll.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 04 2016, @09:34PM
> It is disappointing that even here such logical fallacies manage to befuddle so many.
This might help to explain it:
The Difference Between Rationality and Intelligence [nytimes.com]
...
The major finding was that irrationality — or what Professor Stanovich called “dysrationalia” — correlates relatively weakly with I.Q. A person with a high I.Q. is about as likely to suffer from dysrationalia as a person with a low I.Q. In a 2008 study,
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 05 2016, @02:08AM
Unsubstantiated? Have you actually read this stuff? http://bfy.tw/824w [bfy.tw]
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday October 05 2016, @02:34PM
You're using an URL shortener to point to Let Me Google That For You, where you're typing in an URL.
Just wow.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Wednesday October 05 2016, @03:35PM
Thank you for Correcting the Record! I am now #MentallyHill and $.50 has been deposited into your account.
Astroturfing fuck.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Tuesday October 04 2016, @09:26PM
I don't know he's crazy, I know he's a bit of a flim-flam guy that will say whatever he thinks will work and then do what he wants. What we don't know, is what he really wants. That's extremely scary.
But what's even scarier is Clinton. We know exactly what she wants, more blood for the blood god.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1) by tisI on Wednesday October 05 2016, @02:25PM
I'm not a fan of hillary. We all know what a douche she is.
That said, emperor Donald should concern all as well. Try googling how many bankruptcies his businesses have had.
Good for him wealth was handed to him on a silver platter by daddy. Otherwise he'd just be another worthless bum in a gutter, because he's a failure as a businessman.
Trump university is particularly interesting with all the lawsuits over fraud. Trump airlines, Vodka, etc.
Pathetic that is the best the US can do.
Another lying piece shit career politician, or a delusional whacked out lunatic.
I won't vote for either.
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