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posted by martyb on Monday October 10 2016, @11:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the latest,-latest-read-all-about-it dept.

Partial transcripts of Hillary Clinton's Wall Street speeches have been released by WikiLeaks along with other emails from Hillary Clinton's campaign chair John Podesta. Bernie Sanders had called on Clinton to release transcripts of the speeches, for which she is estimated to have earned around $26 million, during the Democratic primary:

Transcripts of private speeches by US Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton have been released by the whistle-blowing site Wikileaks. In one of the extracts, Mrs Clinton told bankers that they were best-placed to help reform the US financial sector. [...] The excerpts include comments made at an event sponsored by Goldman Sachs in October 2013 in which Mrs Clinton spoke of the need to consult Wall Street over financial reform. "The people that know the industry better than anybody are the people who work in the industry," Mrs Clinton said. At another speech presented to a Brazilian bank in 2013, she spoke of her "dream" for a common trade market. "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, some time in the future with energy that is as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Mrs Clinton said.

John Podesta blames the Russians. The emails were posted a few days after the 10th anniversary of WikiLeaks.

Here is "The Podesta Emails; Part One" press release at WikiLeaks, which emphasizes Clinton involvement with the sale of Uranium One to Russian interests:

As Russian interests gradually took control of Uranium One millions of dollars were donated to the Clinton Foundation between 2009 and 2013 from individuals directly connected to the deal including the Chairman of Uranium One, Ian Telfer. Although Mrs Clinton had an agreement with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors to the Clinton Foundation, the contributions from the Chairman of Uranium One were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons. When the New York Times article was published the Clinton campaign spokesman, Brian Fallon, strongly rejected the possibility that then-Secretary Clinton exerted any influence in the US goverment's review of the sale of Uranium One, describing this possibility as "baseless".

[Continues...]

The leaked emails have further angered former/current Sanders supporters, although that might not matter by Election Day:

Supporters of former Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Saturday expressed anger and vindication over leaked comments made by Hillary Clinton to banks and big business that appeared to confirm their fears about her support for global trade and tendency to cozy up to Wall Street. [...] "This is a very clear illustration of why there is a fundamental lack of trust from progressives for Hillary Clinton," said Tobita Chow, chair of the People's Lobby in Chicago, which endorsed Sanders in the primary election. "The progressive movement needs to make a call to Secretary Clinton to clarify where she stands really on these issues and that's got to involve very clear renunciations of the positions that are revealed in these transcripts," Chow said. The revelations were quickly overshadowed by the release of an 11-year-old recording of Donald Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, making lewd comments about women.

Bonus: John Podesta has been an outspoken supporter of the "Disclosure" movement, which seeks to reveal government knowledge of the existence of extraterrestrial life. Here are two emails sent by Edgar D. Mitchell, one of the Apollo 14 astronauts, to John Podesta. Mitchell branded himself as a "Zero Point Energy Consultant" before his death. Unfortunately for Earthlings, extraterrestrials "will not tolerate any forms of military violence on Earth or in space" (good luck with that).

UPDATE: 10 Oct: 14:56 UTC

Another 2086 emails have just been released by Wikileaks: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/breaking-wikileaks-dumps-another-2086-podesta-emails/.

As the article points out:

This ought to make Hillary Clinton's already bad day – even worse.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @12:15PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @12:15PM (#412392)

    Maybe you'd like Hillary better if she talked about what a nice piece of ass her daughter is.

    For a guy who is obviously old enough to have grown up through the Cold War, I find it rather remarkable you support someone who is not only cozy with the Russians, but actively takes assistance from them.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 10 2016, @12:18PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 10 2016, @12:18PM (#412395) Homepage Journal

    That's not optional this time if you want to vote R or D. Hillary's even cozier with the Russians than Trump. Or did you utterly miss the Uranium One story because you only pay attention to MSM news?

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    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @04:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @04:48PM (#412516)

      > Or did you utterly miss the Uranium One story because you only pay attention to MSM news?

      Apparently you missed it too because you only pay attention to crazy nutjobber news.
      The entire sum of the wilileaks "expose" is that one of the sources used by the writer of the NY Times article on the mine's sale was friendly to Clinton.
      O M G!!!!

      Whatever involvement clinton had or did not have with the state department signing off on the sale of the canadian company that owned the rights to the mine, State was only one of 9 federal agencies and two nuclear regulators to sign off on the sale:

      The Kremlin’s 2010 purchase of a controlling stake in Uranium One had to be approved by the nine members of the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States.

      That included Clinton as secretary of state, but also the secretaries of the Treasury (the chairman of the committee), Defense, Justice, Commerce, Energy and Homeland Security as well as the the heads of the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative and the Office of Science and Technology Policy. The deal also had to be okayed by the independent Nuclear Regulatory Commission as well as Utah’s nuclear regulator.
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jun/30/donald-trump/donald-trump-inaccurately-suggests-clinton-got-pai/ [politifact.com]

      Remember folks, buzzard doesn't give a fuck about truth or facts, he's happy to lie his ass off because clinton is such a bitch. she deserves it.

      • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 10 2016, @04:55PM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 10 2016, @04:55PM (#412519) Homepage Journal

        You seem to think I said something untrue and that the Secretary of State has influence only in the State Department. Both are false; the second especially when the Secretary's last name is Clinton.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @07:03PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @07:03PM (#412579)

          The sig of The Mighty Buzzard currently reads:
          Why go for a Left nut or a Right nut when you can have the Johnson?

          He missed the chance to tell you how awesome Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson is.
          Y'know, the guy who doesn't know what Aleppo is; who can't name a world leader that he admires; who has said about his complete ignorance of global affairs "I guess I wasn't meant to be president".

          ...and, contrary to TMB's sig, Gary Johnson *IS* Right-^W Wrong-Wing. [politicalcompass.org]
          (Farther Right than Trump, according to that graphic.)
          Now, it is true that he's not especially Authoritarian/Interventionist.
          Again, that appears to be because he couldn't find on a map a place that he might want to bomb/invade/occupy.

          ...and, in case any of you took one of those online quizzes that said that you most closely agree with a Libertarian, you should give that a bit more thought.
          Gary Johnson Is NOT the Third-Party Candidate You’re Looking For [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [socialistalternative.org]

          ...and, BTW, those quizzes are deeply flawed.
          They will categorize you as "Left" without ever asking the question, "Do you reject the concentrations of wealth that characterize Capitalism and the skewed, anti-democratic power distribution with which that imbues a society?"

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 10 2016, @07:18PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 10 2016, @07:18PM (#412584) Journal

            FFS, Johnson and Stein are both more "qualified" than either Trump or Clinton. The media hasn't dug up any scandals on either of them. Trump and Clinton are so filthy they leave a dust cloud behind them. It doesn't MATTER how smart, how far out, how crazy either of them are - they are BOTH better choices than what the Republicrats are offering us.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday October 11 2016, @01:38AM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday October 11 2016, @01:38AM (#412745) Homepage Journal

            He's not that awesome. I just think the slogan's funny.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
      • (Score: 2, Disagree) by Gaaark on Monday October 10 2016, @05:05PM

        by Gaaark (41) on Monday October 10 2016, @05:05PM (#412525) Journal

        clinton is such a bitch. she deserves it.

        Starting to realize it yourself! Good for you!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @04:37AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 11 2016, @04:37AM (#412812)

        Oh boy. It's an anonymous fucking douchebag who offers nothing and makes character attacks at the person he's trying to discredit.

        Here on SN, the vast majority of readers aren't as fucking retarded as the usual low information idiots you guys target. We understand that when Russia drops tons of cash in a Clinton slush fund at the exact same time as the Clinton State Department approves nuclear fuel to them, there is something suspicious about it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @06:06PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @06:06PM (#412552)

      That's not optional this time if you want to vote R or D.

      Which would make them kind of retarded.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by HiThere on Monday October 10 2016, @06:44PM

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 10 2016, @06:44PM (#412573) Journal

        Not really. Unless you hate the candidates exactly equally to vote for a third party when you live in a swing state is misguided. Use some game theory to analyze it, it's not a difficult problem. The difficulty comes with what degree of risk you are willing to accept that you will get Kang instead of Kodos.

        The problem is inherent to a plurality wins voting system. It could be avoided with either Instant Runoff Voting or Condorcet voting. Condorcet is slightly better in most ways, but Instant Runoff is easier to explain, so it's actually been tried. (It has it's own problems, of which information overload is only one.)

        In this case I consider Trump probably considerably worse than Hillary, so I wouldn't be willing to accept much risk. But I also don't live in a swing state...so I'll probably vote 3rd party.

        P.S.: Every 3rd party I've checked out would be a disaster if they won, but because they have no significant chance of winning, qualified people won't position themselves as candidates. Even so, some of them appear better than Trump.

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        Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @07:48PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @07:48PM (#412605)

          qualified people won't position themselves as [3rd party] candidates

          Ralph Nader ran in 1996, 2000, 2004, and 2008.
          Every time, he was the smartest one on the ballot.
          He has more experience interacting with gov't people than most people who have been elected to gov't (going back to auto safety advocacy before Congress in the early 1960s).

          When Jill Stein opposed Mitt Romney in the Massachusetts gubernatorial debate, The Boston Globe called her "the only adult in the room".
          Dr. Stein is currently on the ballot in 44 states plus DC and can be written in in 3 more states.
          That leaves only a tiny number of states that are so opposed to Democracy that they will not allow their people to vote for her--just 3 of those. [jill2016.com]
          (I recommend View + No Style to get rid of the blinking text.)

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 10 2016, @12:22PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 10 2016, @12:22PM (#412397) Journal

    OMG! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING! THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!

    The Russians are a potential external threat. Yeah, you do make something of a point. But, then again - which of the presidential candidates enabled the Russians to buy out one of our supplies of fissionable ores? Let me think about that - was Hitlery not the acting Secretary of Corruption when that deal was made? I don' think Trump has approved of any sales of fissionables to Russia, now has he?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html?_r=0 [nytimes.com]

    Please, don't even suggest that Hitlery didn't know anything about it, or that it was an oversight, or whatever fucking excuse you might want to offer. I'm not as gullible as the left leaning portion of the American population. The bitch sold strategic mineral rights to a former and potential future enemy, it's just that simple. It is precisely as simple as the people who want to vote for Hitlery.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by NotSanguine on Monday October 10 2016, @02:09PM

      From the article [nytimes.com] you linked:

      But the untold story behind that story is one that involves not just the Russian president, but also a former American president and a woman who would like to be the next one.

      At the heart of the tale are several men, leaders of the Canadian mining industry, who have been major donors to the charitable endeavors of former President Bill Clinton and his family. Members of that group built, financed and eventually sold off to the Russians a company that would become known as Uranium One.

      [...]

      Some of the connections between Uranium One and the Clinton Foundation were unearthed by Peter Schweizer, a former fellow at the right-leaning Hoover Institution and author of the forthcoming book “Clinton Cash.” Mr. Schweizer provided a preview of material in the book to The Times, which scrutinized his information and built upon it with its own reporting.

      [...]

      Whether the donations played any role in the approval of the uranium deal is unknown. But the episode underscores the special ethical challenges presented by the Clinton Foundation, headed by a former president who relied heavily on foreign cash to accumulate $250 million in assets even as his wife helped steer American foreign policy as secretary of state, presiding over decisions with the potential to benefit the foundation’s donors.

      In a statement, Brian Fallon, a spokesman for Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, said no one “has ever produced a shred of evidence supporting the theory that Hillary Clinton ever took action as secretary of state to support the interests of donors to the Clinton Foundation.” He emphasized that multiple United States agencies, as well as the Canadian government, had signed off on the deal and that, in general, such matters were handled at a level below the secretary. “To suggest the State Department, under then-Secretary Clinton, exerted undue influence in the U.S. government’s review of the sale of Uranium One is utterly baseless,” he added.

      American political campaigns are barred from accepting foreign donations. But foreigners may give to foundations in the United States. In the days since Mrs. Clinton announced her candidacy for president, the Clinton Foundation has announced changes meant to quell longstanding concerns about potential conflicts of interest in such donations; it has limited donations from foreign governments, with many, like Russia’s, barred from giving to all but its health care initiatives. That policy stops short of a more stringent agreement between Mrs. Clinton and the Obama administration that was in effect while she was secretary of state. [emphasis added]

      Perhaps "understanding is a three-edged sword" [goodreads.com] after all, no?
      I think we could all do with a little more understanding? Just sayin'.

      --
      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 10 2016, @02:24PM

        by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 10 2016, @02:24PM (#412454) Homepage Journal

        So, knowing for a fact that she sold access to the President and her own office doesn't make you think even a little that she might have sold other deals where she absolutely did get paid? And it doesn't matter who originally uncovered the information now that it's been confirmed via other sources.

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        My rights don't end where your fear begins.
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Monday October 10 2016, @02:54PM

          So, knowing for a fact that she sold access to the President and her own office doesn't make you think even a little that she might have sold other deals where she absolutely did get paid? And it doesn't matter who originally uncovered the information now that it's been confirmed via other sources.

          That was my point WRT to "Understanding is a three-edged sword" (those three edges being your side, their side, and the truth) and the bolded text in the quoted section of the article. There is no actual evidence that she gave these folks favors in exchange for donations to the Clinton Foundation.

          That said, it does seem kind of strange that this went through on her watch. Which, given the donations, makes you wonder if there was some kind of quid pro quo.

          At the same time, there were a whole bunch of other people and government agencies (in both the US and Canada) aside from Clinton and the State Department that had to sign off on the deal before it could be approved, which makes it unlikely that she alone was responsible for making it happen. That doesn't disprove her support based on some sort of quid pro quo, but that makes the theory seem less likely.

          One side says it's corruption, the other says it was a mixture of Administration policy and happenstance.

          Then there's the truth. What that is, I don't know. Nor do you.

          I know you're a pretty bright guy, so I suspect you know that people (especially in politics, but it happens everywhere) tend to try to put themselves in the best light possible and their adversaries in the worst light possible. Often, the truth is somewhere in between. The difficulty lies in determining where that "in between" really is.

          --
          No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 10 2016, @03:03PM

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 10 2016, @03:03PM (#412477) Homepage Journal

            Oh Trump's not my guy, though I do admire his trolling skillz. Truthfully, I don't really like anyone running this time. I'll likely go Johnson, not because I like him but because I'd like to see Libertarians get federal funding next time and possibly even a seat in the debates.

            With Clinton though, I can't help thinking she's actually done worse than anything I suspect. Every factual revelation is worse than the last.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday October 10 2016, @03:17PM

              I wasn't implying that you were supporting Trump and I wasn't being partisan. I was just pointing out that everyone has an agenda and Clinton (or Trump or Johnson or anyone else for that matter) isn't as rabidly evil as their enemies make them out to be, and they definitely aren't as angelic as they make themselves out to be.

              Which is why a well-informed electorate (which we don't have) is important.

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              No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
              • (Score: 3, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday October 10 2016, @03:41PM

                by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday October 10 2016, @03:41PM (#412494) Homepage Journal

                Fair nuff. I disagree not.

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              • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday October 10 2016, @05:16PM

                by Gaaark (41) on Monday October 10 2016, @05:16PM (#412531) Journal

                Which is why a well-informed electorate (which we don't have) is important.

                ABSOLUTELY! You see it here in Canada, as well, unfortunately. Too many people rely on CNN or their local newspaper for their political views. No one is skeptical. They either see that "Hillary is a crook" or "Trump! What an ass!".
                They don't seem to see "we need to get something rolling to support a third option".

                Everyone call up Pauly Shore and ask him to run. Carrot top. ANYONE! Damn.... anyone at all!

                Wish it were possible to get Sanders back in and Hill out (is it too late?).
                Get Sanders back, and have him run up against Barney the Dinosaur or Tinkey-winkey instead of Trump. Should be a better race. At least i'd feel better with Sanders, Barney or Tinkey-winkey as President.

                The way things are looking, no matter which way it turns, it's going to be a VERY, VERY COLD WINTER. :(

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                --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
                • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Monday October 10 2016, @08:33PM

                  by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Monday October 10 2016, @08:33PM (#412623)

                  Where I live we get the "Trump! What an ass!" bit, but all comments about Hillary are "She's so Presidential" or "She won the debate" (whatever that means".
                  I have never seen or read anything from my local media raising any questions about Hillary except the bald comment that she used a private email server with no analysis at all.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday October 10 2016, @07:23PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 10 2016, @07:23PM (#412588) Journal

            "Which, given the donations, makes you wonder if there was some kind of quid pro quo."

            I gave up on wondering decades ago. The Clintons are dirty, dirty, dirty. The miasma of corruption just follows them around. Teflon Bill - nothing sticks.

  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday October 10 2016, @12:38PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Monday October 10 2016, @12:38PM (#412402) Journal

    Maybe if her daughter WAS a nice piece of ass?

    And her connection with Russia seem to be pretty deep.....

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    --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Monday October 10 2016, @02:08PM

      by VLM (445) on Monday October 10 2016, @02:08PM (#412446)

      Gaark's got it.

      I donno if its generations of assortive mating or what, perhaps on both sides, but generally speaking right wing chicks are hotter than left wing after correcting for demographics as best as possible. I mean there are anecdotally hot leftie chicks and ugly right wing chicks but its funny to compare attendees and protestors at political rallies, guys are pretty good at the "hot or not" game and its pretty easy to guess which side is R and which is D at a glance. You don't even have to read the signs or listen to the chanting, just look at the women.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @04:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @04:17PM (#412507)

        Cool bro, that's the narrative we're looking for to attract female R voters.

        GRAB OUR COUNTRY BACK 2016!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @04:34PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @04:34PM (#412512)

          GRAB OUR COUNTRY BACK 2016!

          Grab them by the cuntry!

          • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday October 10 2016, @04:55PM

            by Gaaark (41) on Monday October 10 2016, @04:55PM (#412520) Journal

            or to be PC,
            #c....y

            But that's one of the things i like about Trump... who REALLY wants to be PC nowadays. 'They' DEMAND that you be, but no one WANTS to be.

            Yeah, call it like it is.

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            --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @05:40PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 10 2016, @05:40PM (#412541)

    For a guy who is obviously old enough to have grown up through the Cold War, I find it rather remarkable you support someone who is not only cozy with the Russians, but actively takes assistance from them.

    Because those of us who actually DO remember the cold war kind of enjoyed the brief period when Russia and the US weren't enemies. It was a relief - as the next generation is about to find out.